Colorado is now a SHALL-ISSUE state!!!!

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from the Denver ComPost* story:

Wednesday, March 19, 2003 - Gov. Bill Owens signed into law two controversial gun bills Tuesday, angering advocates of local-government control and people who fear the laws will trigger more gun violence in Denver.
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"I am disappointed the governor ignored police chiefs and others who understand that what works in rural Colorado doesn't cut it in urban centers," Mayor Wellington Webb said. "Denver and other cities have regulated firearms since the 19th century. This legislation marks a sea change in public policy in Colorado."

SB25 eliminates local gun laws statewide, while giving local governments the discretion to post signs in buildings or a specific area where guns can't be openly carried.

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Mauser said he was "very disappointed" in Owens. He accused the governor of quickly signing the law that wipes out local laws without consulting gun-violence victims or police.

"It won't help the war on crime and gun violence," Mauser said. "On the contrary, it will weaken gun laws and take away crime-fighting tools from our police. It will put more guns on our streets, which will lead to more violence and death."
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The same peole who wanted an amendment to the state constitution requiring background checks at gun shows -- and usually favor federal gun control laws -- are whining about state pre-empting local gun control laws.

What a bunch of hypocrites.

And to get a concealed carry permit requires a background check more stringent than the Brady Bill ($100 fees, fingerprints, weeks to months of processing, etc.), but somehow this won't stop criminals?!!!

Talk about insincere. It's no wonder we can't trust the anti-gunners.

For years, the anti-gunners have said we should regulate guns like we do cars. Well, that's what these laws do in a sense -- statewide uniformity, and objective standards to get a permit.

Imagine if every locality had different requirements for a drivers license. Well, that was the situation in regard to gun laws and carry permits.



* I'm not sure if the old joke of referring to the Denver Post as the ComPost means it's rotting organic matter, or short for "Communist Post."
 
Well, we got it. :roll eyes:

All in all, it is NOT 2 forward, 1 back, but just the opposite.

Read the details.

CSSA trying to spin it makes it no better than it is. They want to claim a "W", and they certainly did win. But for most of us this is NOT better than 48 hours ago.

This should have been a LOT easier, and could have been with a little backbone from the Gov. This bill should have been two pages long: a cover page and then one changing "may" to "shall" in the current statute and including reciprocity provisions.

And I'm amazed at how easily some are taken in, too. It's sort of like at election time when you have an anti-gun "R" running against a VERY anti-gun "D". If the "R" wins, did we?

Same with this bill.
 
At first I was opposed to the new CCW law, mainly because it was not as simple as I'd have liked it to be, the change from "may" to "shall" in the present language would have been better.

I'm not thrilled about losing K-12, but let's face it, if the teachers, who have the most at stake over this particular issue, are opposed to allowing themselves and their colleagues to carry, how hard can you really expect the politicians to push for it? But for me personally it's better, because with pre-emption the U of Colorado at Boulder can no longer threaten me with expulsion if I carry there.

My permit, obtained while I was living in Denver, was issued by the police chief of Stratton. It's good for another couple of years, but after that I would have had to go through all the BS of applying again in another jurisdiction, possibly requiring need, or all sorts of references/notarized documents like some sheriffs required. Now it's much easier. I cannot be denied.

The training requirements are about the same as all sheriffs required anyway, so I'm not too upset. My wife recently took a Hunter Safety Course, and it did address handguns, so she should be good to go, now. Previously, Boulder County would not issue to her because she is not yet an American citizen, but this law requires issuance of permits to permanent residents.

So now I can carry openly anywhere in the state. I can enter Denver and Boulder with a so-called assault weapon on my front seat, loaded except for the chamber, and no one can say a thing about it. I can still enter restaurants that serve booze. I never went into buildings with security and metal detectors anyway, so no big loss there. All in all, I'm happy, even though I already had a permit. This law actually allows ME to carry more often.
 
Again,its not perfect but anything that ruins Mayor webbs day can't be all bad.Lets hope this shuts down the Hitler worshippers in Denver once and for all!!!
Mausers a CHUMP!and the :evil:
 
Zak, my point which I didn't make very well at all, is that even though Sheriffs have been issuing they have been free to put any restrictions they want on the permit. At least now that's over. We lost the school ground, but we are able now to carry in many, many places that other states forbid. I realize that's thin comfort, but this law is one of the least restrictive in the country. Hopefully we can make it even better in the future.

Between 24 and 25, things are (generally) looking up.

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ROTFLMAO, take a look at where Washington DC is on the map Frohickey posted. I never knew DC was sticking out in the Atlantic Ocean like that, I thought it was on the river.

Kharn
 
to Zak Smith and Bob Locke...

At least Colorado has the 'may issue' turned into 'shall issue'. Granted, its not Vermont style, so that gives you and other Coloradoans something to work towards.
No one ever said that changing the CCW laws in Colorado need to be a one time affair. Its time to imitate what the anti-gunners have been doing to us. Time to work it back, one step at a time!
Thats what Texas and Nevada has been doing. Keep in touch with the politicians that supported the bill. Keep in touch with the people that worked to make this bill a reality. Start a planning session on what is the next thing to work on. Thats what the anti-gunners are doing. IF EVERYONE JUST CELEBRATES AND GOES HOME AND NEVER MEETS AGAIN, YOU HAVE JUST WON A REPRIEVE, AND NOTHING ELSE! :cuss:
Time to take the battle on the anti-gunners turf. Start challenging their pet projects. Be it the 50cal ban, or maybe asking the legislature to set aside land for a public shooting range, or asking the legislature to set aside money for gun safety education for children. I like one proposed Arizona law that made the govt liable for crimes commited against a person if the govt disarmed the victim.
 
bills with training requirments always scare me just a little. In most cases the specific training isnt listed in the bill itself. Its one of those "as shall be determined by such and such government entity" I always worry about how easy it would be to make the "training" involve shooting a quarter at 200 yards with your eyes closed. Of course its real hard to argue against training when someone has already suggested it.
 
Perfect? Nope.

A win for our side? Yep.

We took an inch, some might say lots more, and need to work on that proverbial mile.

Just like the other side does all the time. I worked for quite some time for them. I for one, am glad to see that recently we've compromize3d so that it has begun to work for us.
 
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