Colorado Marijuana Law and Federal Form 4473

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A lot of who they enforce it on is dependent on asset forfeiture.
This often means they go after larger grows because people doing larger grows typically have land.
However they can also go after home owners too.
You see property involved in illegal drug production under the law can often be seized.
Most assets in the home, and cars etc can also be seized if they merely claim they were at least partially paid for by illegal drug income, and the drug producer cannot refute that.
These crimes are also accompanied by hefty fines, fines that are so high they may also take even what they cannot outright seize as partial payment, like if say the person has gold or other very valuable liquid assets.

Bottom line is they can come in and take a lot or in some cases most of what a person owns just because they are illegally manufacturing.

If you consider the average home is worth hundreds of thousands many places, home owners are a gold mine. They will often at least pay for the prosecution or a good portion of it, if not make income for the agency involved.


Now the reverse is also somewhat true, those with no assets typically can't afford decent lawyers and so are easy to prosecute. So they do that sometimes too, but asset forfeiture is much more attractive.

Remember when the ATF bulk ordered the multitools with 'Always Think Forfeiture' engraved on them as a cute play on their acronym? Well it is not just the ATF that thinks like that.
Many local, state, and federal agencies obtain a good portion of budget from seizing assets.
I have lived places where the Sheriff had entire fleets of vehicles that were seized assets, repainted and used for official duties. Like seized offroad vehicles used to patrol offroad, seized boats used, etc
With many more sold in auctions for profit.
The worse the financial situation of the County or city the more interested they were, and I imagine now with a lot of budgets hard to balance it is even more attractive to law enforcement.
than it normally is.


In California what state and local officials also do to arrest and prosecute people that are abiding by state law is they have a Federal Agent technically do the arrest. A couple federal agents will be 'assisted' by dozens of local law enforcemnt to raid a place legally growing or selling marijuana under state law.
This means when the local Sheriff is not favorable to marijuana they just place a call to the local Federal agents in the region and plan a date.
In all reality it is really the Sheriff doing the raid, initiating it, and providing most of the manpower for it, but technically it is the Feds and it is handled in Federal court.
Many state and local outfits can apply for various federal funding to combat drugs, and proactively doing such things can make it easier to get additional federal funding.
While they typically weigh the plants at wet weight (drug is much lighter at dry weight) and multiply or estimate for the crop, and count all the parts that would not even be used or sold like the primary stem, roots, etc, and then factor that weight as if it was worth the highest estimate for street sales they can find (often beyond value of even much higher quality) to arrive at some insane street value.
They then quote this street value as thier accomplishment.
It is pretty comical. But it is how they show they are getting a lot done, and justify getting a lot of funding to do even more in the future.
 
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I am old enough to remember the ad that says....
"Why do you think they call it DOPE?"

You want to smoke, leave your guns at someone's house and never touch them again
 
Been reading this with interest; no amusement. It will indeed be a can of worms in Washington. The new law puts the state in the distribution business big time; ostensibly for tax revenue. Ironic that Washington voters recently took the state out of the liquor business only to make the state a dope peddler. Gotta wonder who the feds will indict for the state's distribution business.
 
krupparms said:
As I stated, I live here! The Feds ARE going after EVEN SMALL MEDICAL GROWS &TAKING THEM TO FED.COURT! That is fact. I don't care if you believe it or not, it is fact . I also am not endorseing MJ! Med.or not just stateing what is going on. The government has a long history of only enforceing laws that are convenient for them. Once again fact. Sorry if that bothers you. JMO.

So it's fact you say?

So you won't have any trouble posting proof of that alleged fact.

See here are the real facts. The AG has sent out his orders to the US Attorneys in the Districts in States that have "medical" marijuana laws, and basically has said they won't investigate/prosecute if the people are complying with the state laws. Here's the proof:

http://blogs.justice.gov/main/archives/192

Here is the most recent MJ prosecution from your state from just 5 days ago:
http://www.justice.gov/dea/divisions/sea/2012/sea110512.shtml

As you can see they didn't simply go after a dispensary complying with state laws, they went after a dispensary used as a front for large scale trafficking. The case started with a seizure of marijuana being sent to Florida.

Before that the last major marijuana case in OR was in June:
http://www.justice.gov/usao/or/PressReleases/2012/20120612_nelson.html

Again this was using "medical" marijuana dispensaries to cover for drug trafficking, and had weapons violations with it.

When you really look at what has happened in OR, the feds have not targeted the dispensaries that actually comply with OR law, following the guidance from the AG, but have only prosecuted people that are involved in large scale trafficking, and/or have other associated criminal violations, just as I stated earlier.

However, let's see your proof of your claimed "fact," regarding the USAO in the District of OR frequently prosecuting dispensaries that are actually complying with OR law, rather than using the dispensaries as a sham to engage in large scale trafficking and/or other associated federal criminal violations.

Forgive me if I don't hold my breath waiting for legitimate sources from you to prove your claimed "fact."
 
Rail Driver said:
Not completely disagreeing with you, but if I were in a situation where I needed the drug for a bonafide medical reason, I certainly wouldn't want it in pill form - I have no earthly idea what the pharmaceutical companies do to the compound, what they put in it, and whether it's even safe or not (the FDA obviously has issues with testing pharmaceuticals for safety or we wouldn't have so many class action lawsuits due to inadequately tested drugs being pushed on our people).

Personally I would much prefer any medicinal compounds I ingest to be as natural as possible. I don't trust a "medicine" that was created by a corporation whose only purpose is to make money.
Are you kidding me?

The requirements to get a pharmaceutical through FDA testing and onto market are extremely strict and extremely expensive. It takes years, and an average of close to one BILLION dollars to get pharmaceutical approved by the FDA and on the market. Yet, you would rather buy marijuana grown by some amateur with no safety regulations whatsoever and consume it through methods that have no consistent dosing control?

You really need to learn a lot more about medicine, particularly pharmaceuticals.

An example of the deadly dangers associated with "medical" marijuana, which is not something you have to worry about with Marinol from Abbott Labs:
http://www.denverpost.com/news/marijuana/ci_21515255/warning-issued-marijuana-mold-exposure
"Colorado researchers are warning that exposure to mold found in marijuana could be deadly.

A team working with National Jewish Health researcher Dr. John Martyny said Monday that a review of 30 marijuana-growing operations in Denver, Littleton and Larimer County and found mold levels at times 100 times higher than considered safe."


But hey mold is as "natural as possible," so it must be okay.
 
Are you kidding me?

The requirements to get a pharmaceutical through FDA testing and onto market are extremely strict and extremely expensive. It takes years, and an average of close to one BILLION dollars to get pharmaceutical approved by the FDA and on the market. Yet, you would rather buy marijuana grown by some amateur with no safety regulations whatsoever and consume it through methods that have no consistent dosing control?

You really need to learn a lot more about medicine, particularly pharmaceuticals.

An example of the deadly dangers associated with "medical" marijuana, which is not something you have to worry about with Marinol from Abbott Labs:
http://www.denverpost.com/news/marijuana/ci_21515255/warning-issued-marijuana-mold-exposure
"Colorado researchers are warning that exposure to mold found in marijuana could be deadly.

A team working with National Jewish Health researcher Dr. John Martyny said Monday that a review of 30 marijuana-growing operations in Denver, Littleton and Larimer County and found mold levels at times 100 times higher than considered safe."


But hey mold is as "natural as possible," so it must be okay.

Mold on marijuana results from improper growing and storage conditions - I'm not an idiot.

If pharmaceuticals are so safe, why is it that every few months you see a TV commercial or hear on the radio about huge class action lawsuits over FDA APPROVED drugs that were declared safe being recalled because they were killing people or causing permanent damage?

You go right ahead and keep drinking the koolaid - Me, I've never been healthier in my life since I went all natural.

The FDA lists drug recalls on their website. Just in the past 60 days, 7 drugs have been recalled. - http://www.fda.gov/Safety/Recalls/default.htm#bottom

Archives listing all drug recalls by year are available on the FDA site.

In order for a drug to be recalled by the FDA, it first must be tested and approved. A recall means they said it was safe and then later learned it wasn't.
 
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