Discussion in 'Handguns: Autoloaders' started by MatthewVanitas, Jan 14, 2007.
Is he serious?
Looks like mostly 1911 parts with the back of the slide built up to enclose the hammer. I said to the assistant that it looked like a technological tour de force. I doubt it is meant for regular sales and would no doubt be hideously expensive on a one off basis like that one. I have seen a picture of the 1908 Army hammerless .45 prototype and it is not a faithful copy.
Here's a pic of a really nice 1908 Colt Vest Pocket. Do you mean that it looks like this, but chambers a .45 ACP?? If so, I WANT ONE!!
Most likely not the 1908 Vest Pocket .25, but the 1908 Pocket Hammerless, originally in .380.
Either way, it's a dangerous experiment with time and space!
I have a 1908 .380 and I just don't see how it would be big enough. With the right amount of money anything is possible I guess.
A true 1903/08 Pocket Pistol expanded to chamber the .45 ACP cartridge wouldn't work very well. The smaller pistols were straight-blowback without a locked breech. Redesigning the 1911 platform to enclose the hammer could be done, but there is no practical reason too do so.
One has to ask: Why?
It would be neat to see newly manufactured 1903/1908 pistols in their original calibers, OR possibly upgraded to 9mm since this probably wouldn't require massive modifications and the pistol frame is more fitting to a 9mm than the mouse gun calibers.
It is hard to envision what a .45 model would look like. Any pictures or links?
To quote a usually reliable source (me) it looks like a 1911 with the rear of the slide built up to enclose a bobbed hammer. It somewhat resembles the hammerless .45 prototype that the US Army was not much interested in, but differs in details like the grip safety and butt shape. The only place I have seen even a picture of the original was in Layne Simpson's book.
It is NOT an enlarged blowback .380. I think it is just a demonstration of their metalworking capabilities.
All of Browning's pocket pistols were straight blowback in design, and therefore limited to cartridges such as the .380 ACP or less. It is easy to say that a similar pistol should be upgraded to 9mm, but such a powerful/high pressure cartridge requires a locked breech. Some straight blowback 9mm pistols have been made (the Astra is an example) but they were larger then a Colt Pocket Model, and very stiff recoil springs made hand cycling the slide difficult. Plus, the recoil was memorable to say the least.
To make the pistol some envision would indeed require some "massive modifications."
This thread crys out for PIX!!!
Of what? This is a new product, just released, and I don't know if any pictures are available. If they become available I'm sure someone will post them.
From M1911.org. Standard 1908 on top, 45ACP version below. You're welcome.
Really, looks like an enclosed-hammer 1911 frame.
According to Schwartz (secondhand via Ayoob) the big problem most folks have with the 1911 is that visible cocked hammer.
while some here think the design is a waste, I am pretty sure almost anything done by Bill L is a pretty cool item. Certainly not my burning desire, it is a cool piece that I am pretty sure is 100% in operation or Bill would not have let it out of the shop
Looks elegant on a small pistol, on a bigger scale makes a Colt look like a Hi-Point.
Dr Rob, that was also my first reaction. Looks just like a Stallard / Hi Point.
I would have loved to see the original frame size in 9mm though.
I second the "Hi-Point Look-alike" opinion. Wild idea though.
The "look" is necessary because the barrel has to able to tip and unlock. The older (and smaller) .380 pocket model had a fixed barrel that didn't move, and thus a lower slide profile which makes it look right.
Hmmm looks like a mostly snag free pistol in a real defense caliber (.45 as opposed to .380 or .32) not saying I am going to buy one but VERY interesting.
But thats just my opinion. I think I need a keyboard in .45 and a car starter in .45 and a .45 big screen tv.....
Hey, everyone has their own thing I guess....
Another ditto on the Hi-point resemblance.
Dumb question alert: Imagine if the barrel was fixed, and the slide had to toggle up to unlock it from the fixed barrel. Has anybody ever made a reasonably-sized handgun in a serious caliber like that? I'm not talking about a Luger-type toggle, but something like a 1911, but with the motion reversed...
Looks like a compact 1911 type with the slide made to enclose the hammer. That doesn't mean something like that wouldn't sell, but it is not a "1908 in .45". I think it only looks bigger than the normal 1911 type because of the rear enclosure; it seems to me everything else is pretty standard.
BTW, on that pic of the .25 Pocket auto, I don't know who put that "Model 1908" on, but Colt didn't. They never used those terms like Model 1903, Model 1905 or Model 1908; those are strictly modern collectors' terms.
I didn't think I would be actually UPSET by the pics, but I am.
I love the 1911 and the 1903. They don't need to interbreed.
I keep thinking it looks like an AMC Pacer--you know, a pregnant roller skate?
A Chevy Citation--a Chevette with a glandular problem.
Un-natural. The farmer would put it in a sack and drop it in the river.
Then again, my opinion is worth what it cost.
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