Colt LTW Commander issues

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Greg72

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Took a handgun basic training course last weekend outdoors. Put about 300 rounds through it. During the course of it, my mags ended up on the rocky/ sandy ground. Thereafter, I had a few times where the slide came forward after the mag was empty, and some FTFs. The weapon was pretty dirty at this time, so that may be part of it. My friends said the follower didn't come up all the way and engage the slide stop. This only happened with the stock Colt and my Kimber mag. My Nighthawk and MecGar mags were not associated with any malfunctions, and have plastic followers. During reloadings, I could tell there was grit in the mags. It seems really odd that they would be so dainty that a little grit would cause the follower to not come up fully. A friend said "Welcome to the wonderful world of 1911s!" Again, I can't believe a weapon platform chosen for military service would be so finicky. It was suggested that perhaps my thumb hit the slide release and caused it to come forward. Definitely possible I guess. Is this why a lot of 1911-istas insist on Wilson Combat 47D mags?
Also, when I was firing, the instructor tapped me on the shoulder and asked how old my pistol was. Told him it had about 500 rounds through it at that point. He was curious because the spent casings were ejecting in a really high arc, like 3-4 feet above my head, and I'm 6'. He felt I needed a higher tension recoil spring because the slide was coming back too hard and causing the high ejects. Is it that, or a function of the ejector and/or extractor, as was also suggested to me. If it's recoil spring, what is the stock tension, and what poundage should I maybe go up to? To me, this isn't really an issue unless it's damaging the weapon. Any thoughts would be greatly appreciated. Also, what is the name of the 1911 "bible", for the life of me I can't remember the author's name!
 
Practical versus Potential

Finding a magazine (or anything, in life) that works best in extreme conditions says that you've found the answer to your problem. I have a Series 80 Combat Commander bought new in '87 that is also selective about magazines. My Colt original and Chip McCormick Shooting Stars and a couple others are flawless feeders and function-ers, but I have encountered several of various makes that gave me problems similar to yours. I have just used what works best, and in my experience, the better quality (i.e., pricier) mags generally seem to do better than the mil-specs and gun-show cheapos.

When I took my pistol to Alex Hamilton at Ten-Ring Precision in San Antonio for some custom work about 10-12 years ago he immediately noticed that my spring was underpowered and had beaten down the sides of the disconnector cut in the bottom of the slide. The hammer was forced back so forcefully it bounced and hit the cut, peening down the sides. He replaced the factory spring with a Wolff Extra Power 20 lb. ($7.89 from Brownell's). Works great and I have had no problems with peening or failures of any sort. I also added a full-length guide rod (throwing the gauntlet down here I know :D ) because I had had spring kinking problems with a 1918 mfr'd Colt 1911 and it fixed it so well. "Answer to a question that hasn't been asked," "solution to a problem that doesn't exist" in many opinions, but it solved a real problem for me in one pistol, and I like the bit of extra weight, the fact that it shoots so well, and intangibles, like "it looks neat" ;)

My two cents.
 
Thanks MajDad. I really appreciate the time you took to give me the info. Looks like I gotta patronize Brownell's soon.
 
Again, I can't believe a weapon platform chosen for military service would be so finicky.

Keep in in mind an entire batch of M9 beretta magazines for the army didn't work in Iraq because of the sand. Magazines are the Achille's heel of any mag-fed autoloader; it's not unique to 1911s at all.

I find stock Colt magazines (7rd.) to work the best. If you have 8rd. magazines in flush-fit length, consider trying 7rd. ones. If you really want 8rds., get an extended-tube design.

I'd suggest checking your extractor tension (colts are NOT known for this weakness, but check). Link below. Try some Colt 7rd. magazines and see how it goes.

It was suggested that perhaps my thumb hit the slide release and caused it to come forward. Definitely possible I guess.

If you are using a high-hold and resting your thumb(s) there, then sure. Try it without resting fingers up there and see how it goes. Clean your gun thoroughly, lubriate the slides generously, clean the magazines out, and try it again.

This is a new gun/recent production? You had stripped/lubed it prior to this outing?

Extractor test:
http://www.m1911.org/technic2.htm
 
Oro,
I guess what prompted me to say I couldn't believe the mags were that dainty, is that there really didn't seem to be a heckuva lot of grit in them. Nothing like what I'd imagine happening in a desert environment. On a gut level, I know you're right in saying that mags are the Achilles heel of autoloaders though. Perhaps I was expecting too much.
The gun is still pretty new. I'd out maybe 400 rounds through it at that point. I gave it a rather fanatical cleaning and lubrication job before the class. I hope the pistol, and myself settle down soon!
I'll check the extractor tension. Thanks so much for the link to that site, and taking the time to respond to this thread!
 
I've bought a number of used 1911's, mostly Colts, and if they have any problems the first thing I do is put a new recoil spring from Wolff in. They show 18lb as factory and thats what I use. Available direct from Wolff online. If I need new mags I have had good luck with Chip McCormick Shooting Star mags and Mec-Gar mags. Reasonable price and can order direct online. I like my Colt mags but there are a lot of fake Colt mags. Somewhere in one of these discussion sites there is a thread showing the difference. Gun shows are full of con men so know what you are looking for. Sometimes a shock buffer will cause a failure to lock open. You didn't say if your pistol has one or not. I guess some people catch the slide release with their thumb but I don't hold that way and have not had that problem.
 
Tacbandit, I'm brand new to 1911s, so I'm not sure if my pistol has a shock buffer. If it ain't stock, I don't have one, 'cause I didn't put one in.
So, it sounds like I at least gotta look at changing my grip when I shoot. Thanks!
 
i know how frustrating FTF can be. in your post you mention something about "cleaning and fully lubricating." i pray you aren't getting any oil near your magazines. i'm probably jumping the gun, but it was one of my first mistakes and certinly not my last. every time i shoot i learn something about my guns, my grip, etc.
 
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ROBBY, I may be guilty of getting oil near my mags. Wiped 'em down with my silocone gun rag, which tends to hold oil in it fer a while. Oil attracts dirt- is what I'm assuming you're driving at, ja?
 
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