MolleMan
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My local gun shop offered me a Colt M16 SPR .22 for $350 new in the box, I like the gun but would perfer a collasible stock and just wondered how much stuff on these Colts are interchangable on a real AR? Thanks for any feedback
Colt M16 SPR .22?
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nwilliams
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The are built by Umarex under contract with Colt, they are not really Colt made.
Umarex products are hit or miss, some people like them some have had problems with them.
If you want a reliable AR in .22 then I would look at the S&W M&P15-22, IMO they are much better quality although you will probably pay more for one.
For $350 that's a good deal if it's new in the box, I would probably buy it. You can easily buy a collapsible stock for from here...http://www.colt22rimfire.com/index.php?page=accessories
Umarex products are hit or miss, some people like them some have had problems with them.
If you want a reliable AR in .22 then I would look at the S&W M&P15-22, IMO they are much better quality although you will probably pay more for one.
For $350 that's a good deal if it's new in the box, I would probably buy it. You can easily buy a collapsible stock for from here...http://www.colt22rimfire.com/index.php?page=accessories
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MolleMan
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yeah i was looking at that site just curious about aftermarket AR stocks would be adaptable.
I would be trading my Ruger 10/22 with an Archangel stock and red dot scope for it. and was offered $200 for it so idk if i'm gonna keep it or not.
I would be trading my Ruger 10/22 with an Archangel stock and red dot scope for it. and was offered $200 for it so idk if i'm gonna keep it or not.
You should avoid the Colt.
Watch this video and you can see why.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-zhVBY6e1n0&feature=related
Fake everything; Fake pins, fake bolt release, fake forward assist. The only thing it has in common with a real AR is that it hinges open, it is black, and it kind of feels the same. It takes special tools to take apart for cleaning (as well as a punch and hammer!), and looks pretty tough to fully take apart.
The S&W is a much better buy. Functions very similarly to a real AR, takes AR stocks, triggers, grips, and comes apart exactly the same as an AR with no tools needed. It is also quite light and very nicely built and designed. Personally it is the simplest and easiest semi-auto 22 I have ever used. For cleaning I just push out the rear take-down pin with your finger, pop out the forward one too, and the upper and lower separates just like an AR; while the bolt and trigger is easily removed just like a real AR.
Watch this video and you can see why.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-zhVBY6e1n0&feature=related
Fake everything; Fake pins, fake bolt release, fake forward assist. The only thing it has in common with a real AR is that it hinges open, it is black, and it kind of feels the same. It takes special tools to take apart for cleaning (as well as a punch and hammer!), and looks pretty tough to fully take apart.
The S&W is a much better buy. Functions very similarly to a real AR, takes AR stocks, triggers, grips, and comes apart exactly the same as an AR with no tools needed. It is also quite light and very nicely built and designed. Personally it is the simplest and easiest semi-auto 22 I have ever used. For cleaning I just push out the rear take-down pin with your finger, pop out the forward one too, and the upper and lower separates just like an AR; while the bolt and trigger is easily removed just like a real AR.
It's not cheap, but prior to the current spate of .22lr AR imitations, I built a dedicated .22lr with parts from Spike's Tactical. I now have a virtual twin to my favorite AR, just in .22 instead of 5.56. I have about a grand in mine, but I've got Mapul furniture, Larue forend, etc. If you have a beater AR, you can just swap the barrel and bolt and have a dedicated .22.
TechBrute:
Having looked at the Colt and S&W .22LR "AR"s on the market, I think the option you followed is far better. I haven't seen any of the "plastic" receiver .22LR ARs that impress me in the least. I admit that I am obsessive about firearms quality. A firearm is built right, or it is built wrong and there is no middle ground. Neither the Colts, nor the S&Ws impress me. Here is what I would opt if purchasing: http://www.spikestactical.com/new/z/22lr-upper-midlength-p-383.html
Geno
Having looked at the Colt and S&W .22LR "AR"s on the market, I think the option you followed is far better. I haven't seen any of the "plastic" receiver .22LR ARs that impress me in the least. I admit that I am obsessive about firearms quality. A firearm is built right, or it is built wrong and there is no middle ground. Neither the Colts, nor the S&Ws impress me. Here is what I would opt if purchasing: http://www.spikestactical.com/new/z/22lr-upper-midlength-p-383.html
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wow for $350 NIB, i would pick it up. if you want close to a real AR look elsewhere as stated above, but for a fun plinking range gun and accuracy i would pick it up. and having experience with the m4 i was very pleased with my purchase.
the two stocks are actually for an air soft and bolts right up,and of course a cheap reddot. and i didnt have to break the bank, the hg is from my bm.
the two stocks are actually for an air soft and bolts right up,and of course a cheap reddot. and i didnt have to break the bank, the hg is from my bm.
MolleMan
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that is a sweet looking m4. is that a hogue grip?
this gun would be just for fun and maybe some coyote/squirrell hunting. but what about the reliability of this gun on feeding and accuracy?
this gun would be just for fun and maybe some coyote/squirrell hunting. but what about the reliability of this gun on feeding and accuracy?
thanks, yes its a hogue grip does not fit 100% but good enough for me. for me any semi auto rimfire will have some issues regardless, i did have some ftf fte, but not enough to get rid of it. as for accuracy scroll down on post 10 some pics when i first got it. the only thing i dont like is the magazine
http://www.thehighroad.org/showthread.php?t=460497&highlight=colt+22
http://www.thehighroad.org/showthread.php?t=460497&highlight=colt+22
MolleMan
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I went over the links, It looks like your groups were significantly tighter with a scope so essentially thats what im looking for. in the original thread someone stated that the only thing interchangable was the furniture which i hope is true cause if i can put a m4 style collasible stock on it and get good groups with a scope then i will go ahead and purchase the rifle.
MolleMan
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Is it true that the dust cover isn't functional meaning that it doesn't stay up?
And would the Smith AR .22 be a better buy overall?
And would the Smith AR .22 be a better buy overall?
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After watching that video, I say you shouldn't buy the colt for the same reason I didn't buy a gsg-5. It only LOOKS like an Ar-15. In reality, it's a giant turd. Get a sig 522 (my fav of all the tactical .22s), spike's or s&w. That colt looks like just a poorly designed peace of crap.
Quentin
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That's a great price for the Colt, it's about time prices came down to compete with the S&W. A year ago they often went for $600 and six months ago I got the M4 version for $450 while the basic S&W was $400. The M4 has been a great little rifle and looks and feels like a real M4. Of course the internals aren't the same but it works.
Earlier someone said the Colt is made by Umarex. Actually they are the importers and Walther is the manufacturer. It's a lot of gun for $350.
Earlier someone said the Colt is made by Umarex. Actually they are the importers and Walther is the manufacturer. It's a lot of gun for $350.
kwelz
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From what I have seen they are hit and miss. But more miss. There have been a number of reported breakages of the receivers from drops and other basic abuse that a gun should take. They seem to be the Rifle equivalent of the P22 pistol.
doubleh
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As one who has used both the Colt and S&W .22 rifles being discussed here I'll throw in my 2 cents worth which comes from actual experience with them. Neither are junk, period! Both are very easy to clean and maintain. Just follow the manufacturer's instructions. The Colt is a more realistic reproduction and is hard to tell from the .223 version when sitting beside it. It's heavier than the S&W. The S&W feels kind of like an airsoft compared to the Colt but that is easily gotten used to. The dust cover on the Colt is non-functional because the .22LR case doesn't have enough mass to flip it open. The S&W has no cover. Take your choice.
Shooting off the bench with both guns scoped I found the Colt to be slightly more accurate than the S&W. Not a big deal considering the use they are designed for. Both have a heavy trigger pull but the Colt's is better. Again not by much but noticeable. Both are ammo finicky and the Colt likes different stuff than the S&W. I adjusted the Colt's recoil spring by tightening it all the way for hi-vel ammo the way the video says. I also experimented with some standard velocity Super X, Wolf Target, and some PMC Target that been sitting around for a while without adjusting the spring back for low velocity ammo. The rifle functioned exactly as it did with the faster ammo. No problems what so ever.
For $350 I would already have it at the house. No, you can't do some of the mods with these rifles that you can with a real M-4 but I don't care. They are fun just the way they are. I will admit that if I owned a .223 version I would probably have gone with an upper for it.
By the way, if you wish to work on the Colt trigger to lighten the pull and do something stupid Umarex will sell you the parts needed to correct your mistake. No, I haven't messed mine up but I did call them just in case.
Shooting off the bench with both guns scoped I found the Colt to be slightly more accurate than the S&W. Not a big deal considering the use they are designed for. Both have a heavy trigger pull but the Colt's is better. Again not by much but noticeable. Both are ammo finicky and the Colt likes different stuff than the S&W. I adjusted the Colt's recoil spring by tightening it all the way for hi-vel ammo the way the video says. I also experimented with some standard velocity Super X, Wolf Target, and some PMC Target that been sitting around for a while without adjusting the spring back for low velocity ammo. The rifle functioned exactly as it did with the faster ammo. No problems what so ever.
For $350 I would already have it at the house. No, you can't do some of the mods with these rifles that you can with a real M-4 but I don't care. They are fun just the way they are. I will admit that if I owned a .223 version I would probably have gone with an upper for it.
By the way, if you wish to work on the Colt trigger to lighten the pull and do something stupid Umarex will sell you the parts needed to correct your mistake. No, I haven't messed mine up but I did call them just in case.
MolleMan
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on the umarex site, the m4 stock doesn't list the m16 which is kinda dissapointing cause that collasible stock is nice to have for the wife and kid.
I like my archangel 10/22 but not to sure wether to keep it and buy the colt or trade for the colt.
I like my archangel 10/22 but not to sure wether to keep it and buy the colt or trade for the colt.
MolleMan
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well I went ahead and bought the Colt for $350, no tax 
. Outfitted it with a CenterPoint scope (4x16x40) that includes flip lens covers, vertical forearm, rail covers, bi-pod, and a rail mounted flash light. only thing left is a sling and i'll be ready to sight it in this weekend!
. Outfitted it with a CenterPoint scope (4x16x40) that includes flip lens covers, vertical forearm, rail covers, bi-pod, and a rail mounted flash light. only thing left is a sling and i'll be ready to sight it in this weekend!MolleMan
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Didn't have a camera this weekend when i sighted it in but when all was said and done I cut out a bullseye at 60 yrds with it. the gun has run flawlessly with Winchester and Remington bulk ammo but didn't seem to like the Blazer bulk stuff to much. overall extremly happy with it.
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Quentin
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Thanks for the update, MolleMan, great rifle for the price you paid! I'm also very happy with my M4 version. BTW, mine loves the Federal 36gr value pack. I hope the price stays low because I could see getting the M16 version - and to see more of them out there, like the S&W. When the price was high I couldn't justify it but now that I know how these things work and I have a stash of magazines, a 20" model would fit in nice.
doubleh
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Glad to hear you having good luck. Mine is the most accurate with Winchester Super X hi=speed. It does not like Blaser.
I got around to working on the trigger. I did a light hone job just to clean up the sear which only showed contact on the outside edges and none in the middle. I also did the pen spring trick. The trigger has two springs and I replaced them with the spring from a ball point pen. Much lighter pull but it turned it into a single shot. Just not enough tension to reset the trigger. I put the original springs back in and everything is good again. The honing seems to have lightened the pull a little. I need some springs about half way between the factory ones and the pen springs and see what that does.
I got around to working on the trigger. I did a light hone job just to clean up the sear which only showed contact on the outside edges and none in the middle. I also did the pen spring trick. The trigger has two springs and I replaced them with the spring from a ball point pen. Much lighter pull but it turned it into a single shot. Just not enough tension to reset the trigger. I put the original springs back in and everything is good again. The honing seems to have lightened the pull a little. I need some springs about half way between the factory ones and the pen springs and see what that does.
MolleMan
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@doubleh, yeah thats a good idea. i might take it to the smithy to see about the trigger sear. let me know if you figure something out on the springs.
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