"Combat Shooting" by Massad Ayoob

[Fred Fuller]

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Amazon's web site gave me notification of this forthcoming book today while I was looking for another title. Could it be my book ordering has fallen into a rut?

At any rate, the book will not be published until mid-December, but I went ahead and pre-ordered a copy. I usually have a couple of things in my shopping cart at Amazon at any given time anyway, and leave them there for a while till I have enough to make it worthwhile to place the order. That way I don't have to leave scribbled notes around or try to remember what book it was I intended to order when I read something about it.

So, in case your book ordering hasn't become as predictable as mine, here's your heads-up...

 

[glock36]

Really appreciate the heads up. Thank you

 

[9mmepiphany]

At almost 40% off, that is a pretty good deal. That is about what you'd expect from Costco, and I doubt they'd be carrying that tittle

 

[sidheshooter]

Preordered that one at the same time I ordered Grant Cunningham's revolver book; another good book for those who eschew magazines... (get it? "eschew magazines"... book of the revolver...I crack myself up...)

 

[Matthew Temkin]

I pre- ordered mine a few weeks ago.
Should be a good one.

 

[mortablunt]

Dang, and I just ordered Jeff Copper's Art of the Rifle.

 

[Matthew Temkin]

Hey, it's OK to have more than one great book...

 

[Hangingrock]

My understanding is that Ayoob himself has never been in a lethal encounter AKA Gun Fight. His credibility is built on analytical research, theory, and methodology. Is that a fair assessment and if not what would be fair?

 

[Al Thompson]

My understanding is that Ayoob himself has never been in a lethal encounter AKA Gun Fight. His credibility is built on analytical research, theory, and methodology.

And that's a bad thing how? PhD buddy of mine once told me that there are two ways of gaining credentials. Do it a bunch or study it a bunch.

Guys who get in multiple gunfights are rare birds (Jim Cirillo). Local guy popped two bad guys in less than two years and was blackballed for LE in this state, even though both were judged justified shootings.

Guys who are in one gunfight, tend to obsess about the details of their gunfights to the exclusion of new TTPs that work. Had an instructor once tell me that a 4 inch .38 was all that was needed as that worked for him - once.

 

[Fred Fuller]

And COL John Boyd never shot down a single plane. Does that mean he has nothing to teach us?

 

[9mmepiphany]

His credibility is built on analytical research, theory, and methodology. Is that a fair assessment and if not what would be fair?

I think one should more correctly say that that his expertise is built on personal research and analysis. His credibility is built on the field testing of the resultant theories and methodology.

His research doesn't give him credibility, it provides the data that he then analyses. His correlation of that data into useful instructional materiel is what his expertise is based on. The testing of that materiel in the field and finding that they hold true is what gives him creditability. His ability to transfer that knowledge, in an understandable manner, to others is what makes him a teacher and a recognized expert in the field

 

[Matthew Temkin]

The days of good guys teaching from personal experience are long gone.
Those who can do research and learn from the experiences of others--and do it well--is also a rare bird.
Ayoob is one of those birds.

 

[SleazyRider]

Dang! Not available on Kindle, and though I'm somewhat embarrassed to say it---I've gotten kind of lazy reading my last several books on this new-fangled thang---it's going to be tough to go back to paper. Ordered one anyway; guess I'll have to tough it out.

 

[Old Guy]

Getting in to gunfights? Tends to not happen to much, fist and boot fights a bit more often, the fist fights outside a bar, when you work in the Bar? Kinda good training, as a recreational endeavor, with a belly full of beer, not so good (reference training that is) as an ex Bouncer (UK 1960 to 1965) lots of fights, got stabbed twice, teaches you situational awareness! Big Time.

This situational awareness, has helped me all my life. If you study gun fights, you can teach people to respond with hand guns, carried on person, if a occasion presents itself, based on your ability to teach, and your ability to study, that seems to me what Mr. Ayoob does.

 

[punkndisorderly]

Ayoob may not have been in an actual gunfight, but he has interviewed many, many people who have and analyzed their experiences. He's also spent a lifetime analyzing shootings as well as associating with and training under many of the "best and brightest". He knows his stuff with respect to gunfighting and what works and what doesn't.

He's also been involved in the defense side of dozens or hundreds of use of force cases and analyzed many more. He knows his stuff when it comes to what happens after the first responding officer shows up.

Ayoob has also been an author and top flight instructor for decades on use of force. So, not only does he know his stuff, he can communicate it to others whether they be "gun folks" taking his class or listening to his lectures or average joe's on a jury.

There aren't many people who have been in multiple gunfights. Fewer still have been in multiple civilian gunfights where it's one guy with a pistol (as opposed to military with rifles and multiples acting in tandem). Fewer still know more than their own limited experiences which may or may not be typical of most self defense shooting. And only a fraction of those will share those experiences with anyone outside their family and friends.

 

[TexasRifleman]

My understanding is that Ayoob himself has never been in a lethal encounter AKA Gun Fight.

Most Cardiologists have never had a heart attack either but that doesn't mean they don't know more than pretty much anyone about how to treat one.

 

[Hangingrock]

I see some of those that replied got a little frosty with their replies. I just found it odd that a part time police officer from a rather small law enforcement department has had such a profound effect. Why not the Wright brothers were bicycle mechanics from Ohio spending their winters in Kitty Hawk and became famous in flight.

 

[Matthew Temkin]

As someone who grow up with a neighborhood full of WW2 vets I have noticed that those who have been "to hell and back" are very unlikely to formally teach what they have learned.
They may share with individuals, but hardly ever open up formal schools or training courses.

 

[Crusader103]

those who have been "to hell and back" are very unlikely to formally teach what they have learned.
They may share with individuals, but hardly ever open up formal schools or training courses.

I've had just the opposite experience. I truly believe that most people who have been there and done that are often very willing to share. In contrast, many of those who say they have been there and done that but then refuse to share the details were never really there and never really did that.

I have been in law enforcement and military combat. I am currently typing this post from a B-Hut in OAIX. I know more than a handful of true, verifiable, law enforcement and military combat veterans. In a teaching setting, often one on one, and at other appropriate times and places, every single one expands on their experiences. Many of them have written books, opened up schools, or teach professional courses.

Our military is full of combat proven veterans training a new generation of fighters.... these wars have been going on for 10+ years now. These combat veterans are openly sharing their proven personal experiences with others. Unfortunately, many who say they've been in combat and then don't give the details withold for a good reason. There are no details to give.

I don't know where this widespread misconception comes from claiming that those who have been there won't reallly talk about it. It's simply not true for the most part whether it be of the civilian, law enforcement, or military type. Some keep it in, but today more than ever, they are sharing it.

I have been in multiple gunfights - verifiable - Google it if you know my identifying info. I regularly share details with others given the proper setting (which from time to time has even been online). Heck, I had an RPG pointed at me not 96 hours ago. When the time is right I just might give the details of how that turned out.

Not trying to sidetrack the thread. I just thought it was worth addressing because it comes up so often.

On point, Massad Ayoob is a strong instructor with a solid background. I can tell you that there are many trainers that are very knowledgeable and proficient and have much to pass on to others, yet have no battle scars to show. There are also gunfight survivors who don't know a lick about how to win a gunfight other than by sheer luck and would likely die if they ever faced a trained and determined attacker.

 

[mortablunt]

I'll give it a look.

 

[PRM]

Good thing about America is we have the freedom of choice.

If you like his writings ~ buy the book.

If not, buy something else.

Personally, I don't have a problem with someone citing a source or reference in a post. I am skeptical with what often becomes a "cult" following. I seen a lot of threads where a dialog is started and then someone tries to trump everyone with a "so and so says this." Great, but if someone else has a different opinion ~ it does not always make them wrong. I see this a lot in caliber war threads. Their is nothing wrong with someone liking or not liking a particular round. Some are better suited to certain task(s), as far as which one you should carry starts to get into opinion. And that's something we all have.

 

[Matthew Temkin]

I have learned much from the experience of others.
While I may not always agree with Mas on shooting techniques, his experiences as an instructor and with firearms is first rate.
When I bought my first semi auto pistol I bought his semi auto book to go with it.
When he writes about which guns go down in a 5 day class I listen.
There are many sources of knowledge to explore in the world of self defense/close combat.
As of yet I have not found the "One and Only" master who knows it all--nor do I ever plan to.
Some of the best unarmed combat knowledge I ever learned came when I was a taxi driver in NYC in the mid-late 70's
Times were bad then and a lot of over qualified men were forced into the cab driver business.
We would have to shape up--meaning wait for an available taxi--for 1-3 hours, which we spent talking amongst ourselves.
Quite a few military/police veterans were there as well and many were willing to share their knowledge with us younger guys.
Ditto on gun fighting tactics when I was assigned as a court officer in the grand jury--lots of N.Y.P.D. guys were there to testify and were willing to share with me.
Knowledge can come from many unplanned sources.

 

[basicblur]

Was giving the book a look/see at Amazon and on the back pages I see you can download a free copy of Gun Digest's free eMag covering the 1911 here.

 

[kgpcr]

PhD buddy of mine once told me that there are two ways of gaining credentials. Do it a bunch or study it a bunch.

I will take the guy who does it a bunch any day of the week and twice on Sunday. Take a look at our colleges. All Phd's and yet they have no grasp of reality. none at all. Thats why our schools are turning out anti gun anti sucess idiots.

 

[conw]

His ability to transfer that knowledge, in an understandable manner, to others is what makes him a teacher and a recognized expert in the field

Ya know... you're right. And I think maybe one or two of his students just might have had a gunfight, or two.

I will take the guy who does it a bunch any day of the week and twice on Sunday. Take a look at our colleges. All Phd's and yet they have no grasp of reality. none at all. Thats why our schools are turning out anti gun anti sucess idiots.

Hmm...let me list the logical fallacies...false dichotomy, slippery slope, non sequitur...there must be more.

Oh yeah, how about special pleading. :banghead: