Completing AR lower legal?

[graysonbornhunter]

I had a buddy form school that contacted me the other day and asked me if I would like to an ARs. He said he was buying 80% completed AR lowers and machening them out. He told me if I bought it from him it would have to be registed.What is the law?

He also told me I could buy the 80% lowers and the jigs to finish milling them out and make them myself and then they didn't have to be registered unless I sold them?

What is the lawy about all of this?

 

[nalioth]

If you make it for yourself, you don't have to mark it or register it at all (does your state even have gun registration? In most states it's largely a TV myth)

If you make a firearm (in this case, the AR15 receiver), the law says you have to mark it a certain way if you sell it. Same for your buddy.

If you sell a lot of receivers this way w/o a manufacturing license, the IRS will want to talk to you.

 

[graysonbornhunter]

I was just trying to look out for him to make sure he wasen't doing something he shouldn't be becuase it sound weird. I'm in NC and every firearm here has to be registered.

 

[kk0g]

.........I'm in NC and every firearm here has to be registered.

You sure about that?

 

[General Geoff]

Looks like someone needs to research his state laws more carefully.

 

[FatPants]

I was just trying to look out for him to make sure he wasen't doing something he shouldn't be becuase it sound weird. I'm in NC and every firearm here has to be registered.

Um... I'm in NC as well, and you are very much incorrect. There is no firearm registration here in NC, save for Durham County requiring the registration of handguns for its residents. Its actually easier to buy a long gun in NC than it is a keg of beer!

 

[rogertc1]

You can buy one already finished you will have to register for just over $100. now days.

http://www.tacticalmachining.com/80-lower-receiver/

http://www.centerfiresystems.com/ARPISLOWER.aspx

 

[kk0g]

...... Its actually easier to buy a long gun in NC than it is a keg of beer!

I'm not sure if I'm happy or sad about that

 

[[email protected]]

I think the problem is your buddy is manufacturing a firearm and then selling it.... once he technically becomes a manufacture then he needs to follow BAFT rules.... if he sold you the uncompleted lower and you finished it yourself them you are probably okay.... if he had one or two finished lowers you would probably be okay as a private sale in N.C.

 

[Bubbles]

Assuming we're talking about Title I firearms only (no suppressors, SBR's, etc), an individual may purchase an 80% receiver, finish it out, and assemble a firearm for personal use only. Doing even one with the intent to sell it to someone else is manufacturing without a license and the ATF will nail you for it. OTOH if you build one, keep it for a while, shoot it, decide you don't like it or you lose your job and need to sell off stuff to pay the rent, that's not a problem.

There is no requirement for an individual to mark a Title I firearm even if it is later sold, traded, given away, etc. The ATF strongly suggests that you do so, so that it can be tracked (and potentially returned) if it is lost or stolen.

 

[NavyLCDR]

You can buy one already finished you will have to register for just over $100. now days.

Register it with WHO?

+1 what Bubbles said. Sounds like your friend is in the business of manufacturing to me, which requires a manufacturer's FFL. To be honest, I am not sure if the manufacturer FFL covers him selling them at retail, either.

 

[Bubba613]

+1 what Bubbles said. Sounds like your friend is in the business of manufacturing to me, which requires a manufacturer's FFL. To be honest, I am not sure if the manufacturer FFL covers him selling them at retail, either.

+2 on Bubbles' comment.
A Type 07 manufacturer can do anything a type 01 dealer can do as well. And yes, it sure sounds like the buddy is manufacturing firearms for friends without a license. If so, he is in a heap of trouble.

 

[NavyLCDR]

A Type 07 manufacturer can do anything a type 01 dealer can do as well.

Thanks. I didn't know one way or the other. I know Brigadoon's Military Surplus in Oklahoma City had an 01 FFL and then because of customer interest in them putting together ARs for them from different lowers and uppers they obtained the 07 FFL to be legal just to assemble the parts for their customers.

Apparently there are also a couple of airsoft AR-15 lowers than can be converted to a real gun with a few parts dropped into them.