conceal carry question

[levsmith]

hey everyone,
first off i would like to tell you why i want a conceal carry. i have lived in a small town all my life but went to a bigger town to go to college. i graduated from college last year and found a job in the same city. well i knew the crime rate was a lot higher here than where i am originally from, but last week, the first week that college started, has been pretty crazy. the first day of school, there was a stabbing not far from the school and on Thursday, there was a shooting in the dorm parking lots! i guess some student went to the bar, got drunk and got in a fight and went back to the dorms. well the guy he got in a fight with followed him back and chased him and shot at him in the dorm parking lot. my sister is still a student at that college and living in the dorms, only about 50 feet from where the shooting happened. well needless to say, i am now wanting to get a concealed carry permit, but i have a couple questions. first off, how long does it usually take for the permit to get processed (i live in Kansas if that matters). its not really a big concern because i don't have the money to buy a pistol at the moment but it is the next item i will get. and second, do you have to write down the brand and model of the gun on the forms or can you use any gun that you feel like carrying? thanks everyone for your help and any suggestions for pistols are welcome. i have been looking at the fnp-40 and really like what i hear about it but like i said, suggestions are definitely welcome.

 

[wditto]

any FNP would do well, the 9 will be a little cheaper to practice with

 

[Quiet]

Use paragraphs. The wall of text is hard to read.

In regards to a KS CCW permit.

Permit Issued Timeline:
The attorney general has 180 days to issue or deny the license.

Requirements:
1. Must complete an 8-hour weapons safety and training course and obtain a certificate of completion from a certified instructor.
2. Twenty-one (21) years of age
3. A Citizen of the United States
4. A resident of Kansas for six (6) months prior to application
5. A Resident of the county where applying
6. No felony conviction or diversion;*
7. Applicant must not have any if the following within five years preceding application:*
a. Convicted or placed on diversion two or more times for driving under the influence of alcohol or drugs
b. Misdemeanor convictions or diversions under the provisions of the Uniformed Controlled Substances Act
c. Convictions or diversions for a domestic violence misdemeanor
d. Convicted or placed on diversion for carrying a concealed weapon while under the influence of alcohol/drugs
e. Convicted or placed on diversion for carrying a concealed weapon without a license.
8. Cannot be in contempt of court in a child support proceeding
9. Applicant cannot be under a current criminal charge or indictment for an offense that would render the person ineligible for a license
10. Ajudged disabled and appointed a guardian or conservator under the Kansas Act, unless the individual has been restored to capacity for at least three years
11. Not Subject to any of the following restraining orders:
a. Protection from abuse/stalking
b. Divorce
c. Child-in-need-of-care
12. No person ordered by the court to receive treatment for mental illness or alcohol/ substance abuse is allowed to have a concealed carry license unless the person has a certificate issued by a court, at least five (5) years prior to the date of application, restoring the applicant’s ability to possess a firearm
13. Applicant cannot have a dishonorable discharge from the military

Required Documents:
1. Certificate of completed training from certified instructor
2. Completed 4-page application form
3. 2"x2" passport type color photograph
4. Two cashier’s checks or money orders made payable to the county Sheriff ($40) and the Kansas Attorney General ($110)

The county Sheriff will fingerprint the applicant and forward the entire packet to the Attorney General for processing.

Places off-limits when carrying:
1. Any place where an activity declared a common nuisance is maintained;
2. Any police, sheriff, or highway patrol station;
3. Any detention facility or jail;
4. Any courthouse;
5. Any courtroom, except that nothing precludes a judge from carrying a concealed weapon or determining who will carry a concealed weapon in the judge's courtroom;
6. Any polling place on the day an election is held;
7. Any meeting governing board of any county, city, or other political or taxing subdivision of the state, or any committee or subcommittee thereof;
8. On the state fairgrounds;
9. Any athletic event
10. Any state office building;
11. Any athletic event not related to or involving firearms which is sponsored by a private or public elementary or secondary school or any private or public institution of postsecondary education;
12. Any professional athletic event not related to or involving firearms;
13. Any portion of a drinking establishment except that this provision shall not apply to a restaurant;
14. Any elementary or secondary school building or structure used for student instruction or attendance;
15. Any community college, college or university facility;
16. Any place where the carrying of firearms is prohibited by federal or state law;
17. Any child exchange and visitation center provided for in K.S.A. 75-720, and amendments thereto;
18. Any community mental health center; psychiatric hospital; or state psychiatric hospital, as follows: Larned state hospital, Osawatomie state hospital or Rainbow mental health facility;
19. Any city hall;
20. Any public library operated by the state or by a political subdivision of the state;
21. Any day care home or group day care home, or any preschool or childcare center, or
22. Any church or temple

Nothing in this shall be construed to prevent:
1. Any public or private employer from restricting or prohibiting
in any manner persons licensed under this act from carrying a concealed weapon while on the premises of the employer's business or while engaged in the duties of the person's employment by the employer;
2. Any entity owning or operating business premises open to the public from restricting or prohibiting in any manner persons licensed under this act from carrying a concealed weapon while on such premises, provided that the premises are posted, in a manner reasonably likely to come to the attention
of persons entering the premises, as premises where carrying a concealed weapon is prohibited; or
3. A property owner from restricting or prohibiting in any manner persons licensed under this act from carrying a concealed weapon while on such property, provided that the premises are posted, in a manner reasonably likely to come to the attention of persons entering the property where carrying a concealed weapon is prohibited.

 

[levsmith]

hey guys,

thanks for the replies.

wditto, im not really too worried about the price of ammunition. i would rather pay a little more per round and know that it will get the job done, heaven forbid i ever have to use it.

quiet, sorry about the wall of text. i will try working on writing in paragraph form again. thanks for the list of requirements and off-limit places. that definitely helps a lot. i didn't realize that it could take up to 180 days, so i'm going to try and get started ASAP. i will start looking for an instructor soon.

thanks again for your help.

 

[gbelleh]

My KS permit took about 2 months to process.

 

[bigfatdave]

wditto, im not really too worried about the price of ammunition. i would rather pay a little more per round and know that it will get the job done, heaven forbid i ever have to use it.

What matters is shot placement, depth, and width ... in that order.
You are responsible for becoming proficient with your CC pistol, so ammo cost IS a concern.
If you really want to have a gun with stopping power, carry a long gun, or get something in the hunting-magnum handgun class (.500 S&W, .454 Casull, etc etc).

I'm not knocking the .40 round, it has good ballistics and you can cram a lot of them into a reasonable-sized handgun ... but you still have to burn enough ammo to become proficient, so you're committing to a higher total cost of ownership.

 

[Mad Magyar]

Kudos on being responsible and wanting to do the "right thing". There are places you will go or pass through that you "wished" you were legally armed.
You need practice, so find a trusted someone who has some training to go out & fire some; prior to purchasing the pistol....
You'll be able to judge the type of caliber & pistol that feels comfortable for your own use; not what many of us think...

 

[trstafford]

Kansas Concealed Carry Laws

You should go to the Kansas Concealed Carry Laws on and read the entire text, Quiet gave a summary but also left out quite a bit of important information

http://www.ksag.org/content/page/id/90



75-7c11
Chapter 75.--STATE DEPARTMENTS; PUBLIC OFFICERS AND EMPLOYEES
Article 7c.--FIREARMS
75-7c11. Same; restrictions on carrying on certain property, when; penalties for violations;
posting of property. (a) Nothing in this act shall be construed to prevent:
(1) any public or private employer from restricting or prohibiting by personnel policies persons licensed
under this act from carrying a concealed weapon while on the premises of the employer’s business or while
engaged in the duties of the person’s employment by the employer, except that no employer may prohibit
possession of a firearm in a private means of conveyance, even if parked on the employer’s premises; or

 

[TDR911]

For a budget starter gun a S&W Sigma or High Point. I would suggest going to all the gun ranges and store and rent and shoot as many versions as you can. $300.00 and less. You can always save up and upgrade later. I definatly recoment a higher quality weapon for self defense as you want reliability.
If you look at the post by Quiet you will see that carrying it on school grounds is prohibited.

 

[benderx4]

You might want to shoot a CCW in 40SW before actually buying one. I love the round as well, but it can be quite snappy in a smaller gun and it IS expensive.

Today's modern personal defense ammo in 9mm is sure to "do the job" if you do your part as well. That's where practice comes in. Lots of it. And you can still buy a box of 50 target loads in 9mm for $8.97 (when you can find it.) A similar box of 40SW will be in the $20 range. Trust me, as a huge fan of the 45acp, the difference in price between the two rounds can add up in a hurry.

 

[kimbershot]

concealed carry

hey dude,

i am 58 years old and have had a permit to carry since i was 21. as i get older, i realize that i appear more vulnerable to potential scumbags. though i exercise and am in pretty good shape, but i am pragmatic enough to realize that with gray hair and sore legs, i am more of a target. therefore, i carry a seecamp 32 most time--a belly gun for sure and a colt officers at other times. as the old saying goes, don't screw with and old fart--i ain't running away and i will blow your goddam brains out and worry about it later.--my ultimate permit is the second amendment.

 

[mljdeckard]

I will not presume that you have the means nor the inclination to move, but in Utah I can carry to my college classes and to my kids' elemtary school to pick them up. I would look for a used Glock.

 

[EOD Guy in VA]

This site should help you with your questions.

http://www.handgunlaw.us/states/kansas.pdf

 

[trstafford]

Place to shoot

If you are near Overland Park try the bullet hole to rent a few different guns

http://www.thebullethole.com/portal/

 

[chris150]

I will again bring up the ammo cost. I shoot a 9mm, and others, and can still find ammo in 9mm for $8.97 a box of 50 as benderX4 said and bigfatdave also pointed to. However, I have a lot harder time finding .40 ammo so even if I had the extra money to buy it I still can't find it.

Shot placement can be more important than the size, .380, 9mm, .40, .357, etc. so I am one who believes that you should get a gun that you WILL practice with the most. Currently 9mm is one of your best choices, it's your best bet for finding ammo and is the least expensive for a cal. that is good for protection. A .40 is a great cal. but is harder to find ammo for and costs more. Also, make sure you can comfortably handle the recoil. Some people don't like the snappy kick of the .40 and are less willing to practice with it.

Two years ago I got a S&W 638 .38 cal. revolver for my CCW gun but have only seen 2 boxes of 100 rounds for sale in the past 1/2 year and they wanted almost $50 for a box of 100 WWB. Needless to say I have not practiced with it in months since I can't find ammo for it and have only fired 350 rounds through it since new. Plus, eventhough it is only about 12 oz. empty it is wide and an IWB holster kills my back after an hour or two.

When it comes to practice, I can actually say that I have about 1,600 rounds through my 9mm and I am still getting better aim with every trip to the range. So, being able to practice ALOT is HUGE, finding ammo and getting it at a price you can afford is HUGE. Figuring the cost of 9mm I'll bet that I've spent about $400 just in ammo alone in the past year. If I went with a .40 to start with, and I almost did, then to shoot the same amount would have cost me closer to a thousand dollars just in ammo alone.

Cal. selection is important but if you choose something that you can't practice with because of price of ammo or availability then that will probably come back to haunt you at the worst time.

Most any FNP is a good quality gun but another point I would like to make is that you should try it before you buy it. If it doesn't fit your hand well then it will be harder for you to hit the target consistently, not a good thing when your life depends on it.

I can't tell you how many guns I just knew I wanted to buy next, that is 'till I held and fired it. I had a list of about 15 guns that I was sure were going to be my next gun, a 9mm, and then I rented a CZ SP-01 at the range and got one of my own that same day. I spent about a year looking at reviews in different forums and news groups and never considered a CZ until I shot one and now it is the last gun I would ever be willing to part with. YMMV but the best gun you will ever have is the one you can shoot comfortably with and that is not something you will find in an internet forum. But the SP-01 is not a good choice for CCW, it is a full sized gun and being all steel is very heavy, so I am also looking for my next gun - a small and trustworthy 9mm. I'm looking at a Kahr PM9 or a Walther PPS but have not decided on one yet, have not test fired them side-by-side yet.

You also have to consider how you will carry it. I'm looking for a small reliable and thin single stack semi-auto because I'm a small framed guy and every 10th of an inch and every oz. is felt big time. You may carry differently so your criteria my be different.

The more info you give us on your specific criteria the better we will be able to guide you to a list of possible choices, from there it is all up to what fits you best.