conceal permits=gun registration

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Its a theory, but I don't think enough people have or would ever get CCPs to really make the theory effective.

But I agree, there should be as many people on those lists as possible. Politicians should have to check their lists and see the armed masses staring right back telling them "whatever you were thinking, no."
 
But if I was the feds and wanted to know who had what in this country I would follow these gun boards as every one is always asking and telling.
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Really? That seems like a lot of work.

1. Constantly monitor gun boards, spending hundreds of hours a week looking for people saying they own guns (be careful to filter out 16 year old mall ninjas and airsofters).
2. Record all the usernames and the guns they claim to own. Hope that they aren't making it up and haven't sold any guns since you made you list.
3. Get a warrant for the hosting provider to get the mysql databases.
4. Match up the posts with the IP addresses on the dates of the suspicious posts.
5. Get another warrant (or would it be a supoena duces tecum, you lawyer types?) the ISP to give you the real name of the ip address that matches up at the time of the post, assuming they have it in their logs still because you've been secretly compiling this list for years. Hopefully, there weren't any proxy servers, then you'd need to subpoena the proxy logs too.
6. Then actually go after all of these people.

Or you could do what is more likely:

1. Get the 4473 forms.
or
1. Get the list of customers from whatever brick and mortar/online shop.
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1. Get the NRA's member list.
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1. Gun registration lists
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1. CFP lists.
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1. Any number of much easier ways to produce a list.
2. Go after these people.

Regardless, I think Correia is right. Be on a list and be proud.

Politicians should have to check their lists and see the armed masses staring right back telling them "whatever you were thinking, no."
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More importantly, they should be seeing "Apparently many of my constituents are strong supporters of the 2nd, I should be too."
 
I'm not familiar with Arizona laws, but isnt open carry legal without a permit? If so, why does the state bother with CCW permits?
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Yes, open carry is legal and that is how I usually carry. Others (above) have pointed out the reasons one might choose to carry concealed. I do it most often when I leave my rural surrounds and go to the "big city" where people act goofy when they see someone packing.

As for the reason the state "bothers with CCW permits":
- a source of revenue
- insures legal concealed carriers are familiar with laws regarding the use of deadly force (no such check in place on other gun toters)
- insures they know where guns (and big knives, etc) can NOT be carried legally
 
Estimates are that 40% of US homes contain at least one firearm. That's around 50 million homes. Lotsa these homes have more than just one shooter.

Firearms sales in the US are running about 4.8 million or so per year, and have been for over ten years--per BATFE records. Could be, that's more homes? More new gun-buyers?

Government folks say it's impossible to deal with 11 million illegal border-jumping criminals. If they can't deal with 11 million, how are they going to be able to deal with way beyond 50 million?

1. I'm bound to be on a list--or lists--after all these years of gun-stuff.

2. So what?

:), Art
 
Ummm...the idea of "registration" is not to know which guns are owned by a person. The point of registration is to know WHO has guns of ANY sort. It's far easier to implement a confiscation program if government agents know exactly where to go.
 
GOA used to make this argument--and probably still does from time to time.

The gun controllers didn't get everything all at once, and we aren't going to win everything back all at once.

At the start of 1987, there were 10 Right To Carry states. Today there are 40. That's a net gain of 30 states in 19 years. Alaska is the only state to "go Vermont", but it only happened after 10 years, IIRC, of Shall Issue concealed carry.

We're all familiar with the "how to cook a frog" analogy. Well, it works the same in reverse. Go into California, Maryland or New York City talking about passing Vermont Style Carry legislation, and you might as well be an advocate for the Klan.

CCW registration aside, there are a myriad of ways in which gun controllers can find out who has the guns--not the least of which is trolling online forums. :neener:

Finally, I never heard about any of the authorities down 'Nawlins during Katrina using the states CCW database to confiscate guns, but it happened nevertheless. :fire:
 
It strikes me as beyond absurd to suggest that people knowingly violate firearms laws and carry without a license/permit if required, when it is widely known that to be convicted for doing so will result in the loss of your gun and perhaps your gun rights. Maybe even a fine and jail time.

This idea has come up before and always sounds like the ranting of an anti-gun troll, trying to sucker increasing numbers of gun owners into jeopardizing their rights. And it must be just pure coincidence, but every time I see somebody suggesting this sort of thing, it is always a suggestion that someone else do it; sort of like Bin Laden talking a room full of idiots into strapping on belt bombs, then sitting back in his cave safely, waiting to see what happens next. Heck, after all, he's not going to do it himself...he just want's someone else to do it.

Perhaps the system we have right now is not the best of all situations, but it's what we have and until we can change it, PLAY BY THE RULES! Every time a good guy runs afoul of the law, it reflects on the rest of us, and makes it just that much harder to work with lawmakers at all levels, and convince the general populace that gun people aren't a bunch of half-cocked twerps.

If someone wants to drink the cool aid, leave guns out of the mix.
 
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