considering an AR, have a couple questions

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hey everybody, so im lookin to possibly acquire an AR and i had a couple of questions that the search bar couldnt answer.

so im considering getting an AR. this would be my first rifle, and being someone who likes to know how his stuff works i was wondering if building an AR for my first one would be a good idea. I personally think that if i were to build one it would be a lot easier to familiarize myself with the gun rather than buying an AR and taking it apart and putting it back together. also after looking at parts online i figured i could make an AR the way i wanted for about 200 or so dollars less than if i were to buy one then buy the extra accessories and preferred parts.

so im gonna ask yall your opinion.. do you think for someone who has little to almost no experience with a rifle, such as myself, to purchase a pre built AR or to take the time to build one and familiarize myself with the gun in the process??

im pretty much leaning towards building one, but id like to hear the opinions of more experienced persons.

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mayo
 
Building one would be fun. Time and effort to me are the limiting steps. And also should things not go right on your build, you have no warranty to back you up.
 
I built one with assistance, but I know I could have done it myself. My "assistant" guided me through the process, but he had to reference his AR15 manual more often than not. I could have done that.

I am very glad I built my AR. I know the platform better, and its great for bragging to friends, but more importantly, chicks dig it.

+1 on the video. Wouldn't hurt to pick up an AR15 guide book too. They come in all types. My assistant had an old military M16 field manual that had very explicit instructions for complete assembly. I have since picked up a commercial one with great pics in it.
 
My first was a build, not a bad way to go at all. Many kits such as those from Del-Ton will have the upper already assembled, head spaced and test fired for you, all you have to do is put together the lower. It's basically the Snap-Tite of the gun world. Lots of good tutorials on ar15.com and on the Brownell's website (videos).
 
I've put together several AR's over the last 4 years. My first build I was in your shoes and very hesitant about piecing together an AR system. I ended up just purchasing a Bushmaster and not building one as I should have. Hindsight being 20/20 I should have just listened to everyone and built my own. There are very few moving parts involved, simple instructions can be readily attained via AR15.com, and you can save around 200.00(depending on where you source your parts). I'm starting on my 5th build which is a Form 1 SBR and to be honest filling out the NFA paperwork was harder than the actual build.
All the tools you really need for your first build are a set of punches and a small brass hammer. I didn't even have these when I finished my first build. I had a small screwdriver and a claw hammer....lol



BTW my first build was a Sabre Defence lower, an india stoned trigger, and a 16in Del-Ton Upper. With Black Hills blue box I could regularly achieve 1MOA groups with plain jane iron sights. It's a cake job! Jump into it!
 
I bought an assembled colt for my first ar and after playing with it and tearing it apart a bunch of times i replaced this part and that part with something more desirable. So what i have now is a factory barrel upper and lower skeleton and buffer tube that are original everything else has been changed.So my advice just build one alot cheaper
 
Things they don't tell you about building an AR:

You have to know just what you're #1 task will be with it, and stick to that type. M4geries with 3x9 variable scopes are at cross purposes - the weapon type is a short CQB carbine, the optic a long range precision target or hunting type. It can be an ok shooter, but it doesn't do either job well. You can't rockcrawl a Cherokee with 22" dub rims and 35 profile race tires. Stick to the accepted types because they were done that way for a purpose.

Most of the photos on the net aren't posted as a tutorial of what constitutes a good build. It's an exercise in "Looky what I own." It's better to pay attention to what shooters use, military, hunting, three gun competition, and again, stick to the type, don't cross fertilize. German shepherd head with Dachshund body isn't where you want to go.

Costs ramp up just like a government project. Substitute one good simple milspec quality part for a whiz bang hi performance one and the money flies out of the wallet. The return for the "investment" is much less per dollar, and sometimes may never be seen. NM, competition grade, or extreme duty use need to be the end goal to justify the extra money. The builder also has to have a realistic appreciation of their skill level - building a 1/2MOA shooter that can survive 50,000 rounds of high power ammo is more of an indictment of silliness when the gun is shot for a hundred rounds every month or so.

This gets directly to the M4 fad currently going on, and what's wrong with it. Many of them sold are carbine length gas, which is wrong for a 16" barrel. Carbine gas belongs on a 14.5" registered or Govt owned weapon, midlength is the correct gas to use for a 16" civilian gun. The adjustable stock is cool if you need to wear body armor, a recreational shooter is better off with the much less expensive A1 or A2. This also nets a rifle length buffer setup with smoother function, and near zero bolt bounce issues. The gun will shoot smoother and get back on target quicker, with less drama. 5.56 isn't a recoil problem, but for quick competition shooting, don't set yourself for more recoil if you don't need it.

Get regular handguards, the quad rails are an institutional answer to various users needing to clamp on all sorts of hardened gear with old style battery power. Very few ever need 48" of rail or use it, single strips do the job right where you need them. Ladder covers to keep from tearing up your hands are needed, and prevent snagging anything they could have tangled in. Handguards avoid all that. Some complain the front sling will move the point of impact if used, and the answer is don't use the sling! Nobody shoots barrel mounted slings with tension for accuracy, the need for a free float is really an admission they don't know what they are doing. Using a high precision range technique on a battle rifle is some of that cross fertilizing again, you get weird results.

Put the $300 - 450 dollars saved on stocks and quadrails toward quality parts and a good barrel, you will shoot circles around the tacticool gamers out at the range.

That leaves more money for an optic, which do a better job for the 400m max typical shooting. You don't need a milspec $650 - 1,200 type - the overbuilt expense and lack of seeing a dot thru the front lens won't be missed. The front runners also have components coming out of the same factory in China - yes, China - as the $250 optics. They just don't want anyone to know, but it's coming to the public's knowledge. Unless you have life and death on the line, the $250 optics will do the job nicely. If you are in daily contact, Murphy happens, the good optics still have glass lenses and break down, back up sights are practically mandatory anyway.

Don't let the comments about pay once, cry once go too far. Folks are honestly trying to steer you to quality products, cheap ones don't have good service life, and replacing it means you paid in full and may still have a problem child. Those that absolutely insist that nothing less than XX will do are pushing a different agenda. They likely have ego on the line, and need the support mechanism to justify their lack of thinking through to a different conclusion. And as always, let the buyer beware.
 
I wanna know how you can build one cheaper than a Del-ton with a lifetime warranty
($750) Or a Cmmg $599.95 non chrome lined barrel or $650 for the chrome lined?????? I had thought about building one myself but my parts list came in higher than a complete rifle with a warranty Speaking of warranty I had a trigger problem with my Del-ton it tended to pop of two to three rounds if I did a proper slow trigger squeeze. Like a bump fire when not trying. Called Del-ton they said I could send the rifle to them or they would send a new trigger to me. Got the trigger assembly in 4 days and was up shooting the next. Company has an A+ rating in my book
 
What exactly are you going to use your AR for?

Ex:
Defense
Run and gun Competition
Precision Competiton
Range plinking 0-400yds
Long range plinking
Tactical Carbine Classes (CQB oriented)
Hunting big game
hunting little game
?
 
I did the same thing. It wasn’t my first rifle, but it was my first AR. I had no idea how one even operated. I shot one that belonged to a neighbor, but it was handed to me and all I did was flick the safety and fire away.

I’m glad that I built my own and I wouldn’t have it any other way. If I had bought one complete, I would still be using google video to try and figure out different things along the way.

Build the lower. Make sure you have a good punch set to assist you with roll pins, otherwise you’ll mark up your receiver. Less than $20 worth of tools and it can be done without a vice in an evening for a newbie with limited experience with hand tools and the ar-15 forums’ guides.

I’m glad I built my upper. I received a barrel on a handgun trade so I sort of had to. I attached it to a BCM bolt carrier group and upper. That being said, you don’t learn a lot by building the upper. The only thing it taught me was what m4 feed ramps were and just how invaluable that $30 ar-15 armorer’s tool really is.

As someone stated, figure out exactly what you want to build beforehand and build that. You’ll change your mind 100 times and if you aren’t careful you’ll have something that doesn’t fill any roll. Like a 16 lightweight barrel with no free float on an over-scoped upper. Mine was going to strictly be a lightweight grab and go weapon with detachable carry handle and only iron sights. Now It has magpul furniture and I’m ordering free float rails tomorrow. The handle came off and on went an eotech and backup iron sights. The a-frame front sight post also went bye-bye in favor of a picatinny gas block. You’ll just never finish it. Once you do, you’ll see something else and figure out how you “really” want it. It’s like owning a muscle car (not the pristine factory models). You tastes change over time. It starts out running nitrous. 5 years later you yank out the nitrous sniffing small block and drop in a turbo’d high revving small block…only to put a blown big block in it 5 years later.

Good luck and build it…if you build it you will rebuild it.

Remember: google video, Brownell’s instructional videos and ar-15 forums are your friend.

Edit:: If money is the only consideration and I had to buy all the parts at once, I'd buy a complete rifle the way I wanted it. Truthfully, unless you are buying used parts it is probably cheaper that way...but not as much fun. :D Even then, within a year or two I'd end up replacing this or that and accidentally void the rifle. I'm just not one to leave things alone.
 
I bought my first and will build my second on the lower I bought prior to the last election.

If you're concerned about building one, buy a used AR at a gun show with 16" barrel, A1 stock, and detachable carry handle. Shoot it, get to know it. When you learn what you like and don't like and what you want out of an AR, you can then plan and build another. Or you can slowly modify the one you buy until you turn it into the AR you want. By the time you are done, you may have replaced all or most of the parts and will be able to sell the original AR for close to what you paid for it.

As a previous poster said - know what you want before you start building. And don't believe the hype about some of the very high-end components. At the extremes of performance, incremental improvements get very expensive and are beyond the utility of most shooters.
 
Build the lower. Buy the upper preassembled
It is easy. Then you can decide if you want to build an upper. You cannot discount the joy you feel when pick up your weapon, and think I made this.
 
I built my first two lowers this spring. The first took a little over an hour (about half of that was finding a detent that I shot across the room), the second took about 20 minutes. One thing that helped the second build was getting some real punches, they seemed to work a lot better than the vise grip trick (for me).
 
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