Convicted of murder - sentenced to five MINUTES in jail!

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From iAfrica (http://iafrica.com/news/sa/578915.htm):

JOHANNESBURG

Husband killer sentenced to 5 minutes

Posted Fri, 18 Feb 2005

Krugersdorp's Ann-Marie Engelbrecht, convicted of killing her husband Jaco, was on Friday sentenced to be detained for five minutes.

In passing sentence, Judge Kathy Satchwell ordered that Engelbrecht be "detained until the rising of the court" for tea.

In a long, detailed sentence explanation Satchwell said Engelbrecht served her sentence in advance as "none of us will ever know or comprehend her suffering over the years".

Satchwell pointed out that her husband had been a control freak with a history of physical and alcohol abuse.

Engelbrecht had not been in control of herself on the day of the murder, June 29 2002, and while not being completely responsible for her actions had in fact "programmed herself" to murder him.

The family of the deceased were unhappy and a sister-in-law told Sapa she was "speechless".

Six months after their marriage everything turned sour. Nine years later Engelbrecht thumb-cuffed her husband's hands behind his back and sat in an adjacent room as the air in the plastic bag she had placed over his head slowly ran out.
 
I suppose "justifiable homicide" never occurred to anyone as a verdict ...?
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Well, I don't think that "justifiable homicide" would cover something like
Engelbrecht thumb-cuffed her husband's hands behind his back and sat in an adjacent room as the air in the plastic bag she had placed over his head slowly ran out.
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That's more like a premeditated thing to me, rather than firing shots or wielding a knife in the heat of the moment.
 
A "man" that beat his wife for months on end isn't entitled to justice.

The same would go for a "woman" beating her husband.


Neither are considered human in my mind.
 
Guns don't kill people! plastic bags kill people

Let's sue the plastic bag companies. Look out Glad & Hefty Bill and Hillary will be looking for you.

If we ban plastic what would glock do? You know WWGD
 
Maybe...

I don't know enough about the South African Justice system to have a clear opinion about some of this.

Truth be told, I'm kind of with Preacherman on this one. Tie-wrapping a guys arms behind his back and letting him suffocate in a platic bag seems pretty hard-core.

Yes...abusing your spouse or child is evil, and deserves punishment. Shooting or stabbing in the heat of the moment, or even poisoning because you can't take him in a physical altercation...maybe a ruling of justifiable homicide. But not suffocating him with a plastic bag. In my opinion.

Now...if this happened in the States, and the ruling was justifiable homicide, by a jury...okay. But, if a Jury in the states found this wife guilty of Manslaughter OR 2nd-Degree murder, and the Judge, making a political statement gave the wife a five-minute sentence...I wouldn't vote for that judge for reelection, I'll tell you that.

One more reason I buy my wife flowers at least once a month.

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or perhaps she should have filed for divorce instead of murdering the guy.
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What would the average controlling, abusive husband do upon being served divorce papers?

I'm not saying I agree with her actions. I'm just saying the world's a better place without him.
 
That's more like a premeditated thing to me, rather than firing shots or wielding a knife in the heat of the moment.
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Plastic bag or gun, what's the difference? It's just a tool. At least that what we say when a gun is "blamed" for something. I don't see how the method is relevant at all. Either it was justifiable or it was not, or if it wasn't as clear cut as that there might be mitigating circumstances. In this case, the judge obviously thought there were.
 
I wish more people had the courage to do what she did, although idealy not in the same way. She did nothing wrong and spent five minutes too many in jail for it, not counting the arrest and trial. Killing abusive people in self defense or not should be 100% legal.
 
ummm

Killing abusive people in self defense or not should be 100% legal.
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So... just when is that the "law abiding" people of this board deem that it's OK to take the law into your own hands. Physical abuse? Emotional abuse? Hurt feelings? This sort of logic defeats the purpose of having laws in the first place, doesn't it? Am I the only one who sees the hypocricy of a bunch of self-proclaimed law abiding citizens promoting a clearly unlawful act?

BTW, this was not a case of "self-defense", give me a break. She had managed to stay alive living with this guy for 10 years, I don't think her life was in immenent physical danger.

Hey, why don't we all just go out and start killing all the scumbags on the earth? What defines a scumbag, you ask? That's the best part, YOU define it any way you want. Who needs "standards", screw the system! Vigilante justice for everyone, woohoo! We can all play judge, jury, and executioner.
 
I said it should be legal, thus there would not be any laws broken. Abuse is already pretty well defined, I am not trying to redefine it.

I doubt most people know just how bad domestic abuse can get.
 
The good news is I haven't killed any of the scumbags I have encountered. There are a few on my "better off dead" list, though. Killing someone is not the same as acknowledging they are a detriment to society. I disagree with the death penalty, but I shed no tears when someone convicted of a multiple homicide gets strapped into the chair.
 
Well, I don't exactly know what to think of this case. I certainly wouldn't call it murder, maybe manslaughter.

Abusive husbands or boyfriends is why a woman should have friends.
 
this doesnt really make a whole lot of sense.
there had to be a better way.

i wonder if he had other enemies, or maybe the abuse was severe and well documented.
 
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