Cool Non-NFA Guns!!

[jwalker497]

I recently came across a few guns that were soo awesome and I could not believe they weren't NFA or class 3 items that required the stamp. One of these was the Saiga-12 shotgun - very very cool!!! Another was the PS90 I thought that the overall short size of this would make in an NFA item, but apparently its not becuase the barrel is 16in. Another was the Kel-tec PLR16, how this is considered a handgun is beyone me but very cool anyways and it sucks that if you add a stock to it, it becomes an NFA item.

Anyway, I realized how little I do know and I wanted to start a thread to see what else is out there that some of us may not know about that is very cool and non-NFA. This is open to handguns, rifles, shotguns, etc. Links and pictures would be good!

 

[LS240]

Barrett 82A1.

 

[bannockburn]

Try ohioordnanceworks.com for their semi-auto version of the BAR.

 

[zoom6zoom]

One of these was the Saiga-12 shotgun - very very cool!!!

Especially if you have the MD Arms 20 round drum for it! They just cut the price by more than half, too.

 

[MachIVshooter]

There are tons of firearms with really nasty looks that fit into title I regs.

Guns like the PLR-16 (of which I have two and love them) are probably one of the biggest middle fingers at the NFA ever made. And of course there are AK, AR and G-3 pistols as well.

With the '94 AWB gone, cosmetics matter not, so long as the firearm is semi-auto only, closed bolt operation, .50 cal or smaller and fits into either Handgun (no stock and designed to be fired one-handed) or Long gun (26" OAL, 16" tube on rifle, 18" tube on shotgun) categories.

 

[Ian]

There are a number of semiauto beltfeds on the market that are Title I - MG42s, 1919s, MG34s, RPDs.

 

[nwilliams]

Check out J&G Sales. They have a number of non-NFA weapons that are very cool.

http://www.jgsales.com/product_info...uto-rifle-not-nfa-/cPath/384/products_id/4080


http://www.jgsales.com/product_info...o-rifle-not-nfa-backordered-/products_id/1712


http://www.jgsales.com/product_info...-auto-rifle-by-cia/cPath/384/products_id/3494

 

[hso]

Sterling 'carbine"

Suomi M31 'carbine'

Skorpion 'pistol'

Folks knowledgeable about NFA rules and about these firearms will realize quickly that the longer barrels on the first two and the absence of the folding wire stock on the third indicate that these are semiauto versions of the NFA firearms.

 

[iamkris]

Here's some from my collection that I think are cool-but-not-NFA



Browning M1919A4, 7.62x51mm
Norwegian M2 tripod and DISA T&E



New foreign girlfriends

Izhmash Saiga-12, 12 ga
CAI Golani, 5.56x45 mm (Galil clone)
MSAR XM17-E4, 5.56x45 mm (Steyr AUG-A3 clone)



Cold War era battle rifles

CETME, 7.62x51mm
PTR91, 7.62x51mm
DSA StG58A, 7.62x51mm
DSA SA58, 7.62x51mm
Egyptian FN49, 7.92x57mm
Springfield Armory M1A Loaded, 7.62x51mm
WASR-10 AKM, , 7.62x39mm
Yugoslavian SKS M59/66, 7.62x39mm

Thompson 1927A1, 45 ACP



AR-15 based rifles


BOHICA Mk II upper on a DPMS lower, .50BMG
J&T 24” varmint upper on DPMS lower, 5.56x45mm
CMT upper, 18” WOA barrel on AeroPrecision lower, 6.8x43mm SPC
CMT upper, 18” BCM barrel on DPMS lower, 5.56x45mm
J&T M4-gery upper on DPMS lower, 5.56x45mm
WOA DCM upper on Rock River lower, 5.56x45mm
Olympic Arms upper on DPMS lower, 9x19mm

 

[rogertc1]

 

[Gord]

Anyone know if that Sterling can be SBR'd? (Obviously it can be - I mean, is there some sort of folding stock that can be easily mounted to it?)

Always nice to see new-production guns in 7.62x25.

 

[zoom6zoom]

If you mean the Sterling Roger posted, it's a pistol. Adding a stock would make it an AOW, not an SBR.

 

[hso]

I think adding a stock would make the Sterling pistol an SBR and unfortunately it would stay registered as an SBR forever regardless of whether you kept the stock on or not. Cutting the barrel down on the Sterling carbine would make it an SBR also. If you put a forward pistol grip on it I think then you would make it an AOW.

 

[Conqueror]

If you mean the Sterling Roger posted, it's a pistol. Adding a stock would make it an AOW, not an SBR.

Not even remotely correct. Adding a stock to a pistol makes an SBR.

 

[jwalker497]

What's an AOW and does that require a stamp? Also, do you guys think that by going through the NFA process and having such an item puts you at an increased level of scrutniy from big brother?

 

[techmike]

If you mean the Sterling Roger posted, it's a pistol. Adding a stock would make it an AOW, not an SBR.

As stated above...that would make it an SBR NOT a AOW.

I think adding a stock would make the Sterling pistol an SBR and unfortunately it would stay registered as an SBR forever regardless of whether you kept the stock on or not

Not forever. You can have guns removed from the NFA registry if they are restored to a non NFA configuration.

 

[techmike]

Also, do you guys think that by going through the NFA process and having such an item puts you at an increased level of scrutniy from big brother?

I've owned NFA items for years and never felt overly scrutinized by "Big Brother". The worst thing about the process is the wait. In general it just not as big a deal as most people make it out to be to own a NFA weapon. It does vary some from area to area (Some CLEO are hesitant to sign off, but there are fairly easy ways around that). Some states have restrictions that may apply, happily KY is not one of them.

 

[Ian]

The stock on the long barreled Sterling that hso posted a photo of is a folding stock. The Brits came up with a really funky mechanism for it; the buttplate collapses up and the whole assembly pivots down under the gun. I would be really easy to make an SBR Sterling by buying a 16" rifle version and just lopping the barrel off. No gas system to worry about, and not even a handguard to shorten.

 

[nwilliams]

Here are a couple of my non-NFA weapons that I think are pretty cool.....

IMI Uzi Model B and Model 45....(dummy barrels installed)


FN PS90.....


MKE AT-94P converted to carbine....

 

[jwalker497]

how much does the FNPS90 go for?

 

[smokeyandthebandit05]

So would this BAR be legal in NJ? I dont see why not. I would have to probably get the CA model but it has, no flash suppressor and the 10 round mags are ok. $5,500 is alot of money but this firearm is on the top of my want list.

http://www.ohioordnanceworks.com/semi-auto/A1918-rifle.html

 

[hso]

You can have guns removed from the NFA registry if they are restored to a non NFA configuration.

Thanks, techmike! Good to know.

Also, do you guys think that by going through the NFA process and having such an item puts you at an increased level of scrutniy from big brother?

Better not own anything if you're worried about "big brother"? If you qualify for NFA you're not the sort BB is interested in. If your the guy BB is interested in owning NFA won't make any difference (unless it increases the tin foil budget).

 

[nwilliams]

how much does the FNPS90 go for?

Got mine NIB for $1350

 

[THE DARK KNIGHT]

So would this BAR be legal in NJ? I dont see why not. I would have to probably get the CA model but it has, no flash suppressor and the 10 round mags are ok. $5,500 is alot of money but this firearm is on the top of my want list.

http://www.ohioordnanceworks.com/sem...918-rifle.html

Yes, a semi-auto BAR with 10rd mags (you can go up to 15 here) is legal in NJ since it's not banned by name, and does not have enough necessary features to be considered an "assault weapon"

And actually, you could have one with a flash suppressor because it does not have a pistol grip, folding or telescoping stock, bayonet lug, or grenade launcher. Though with the flash hider, you will probably get lots of attention as for whatever reason, misunderstanding of the law among LEO and even gun owners has made people's hearts seize with fear upon hearing flash suppressor. However, you would not be doing anything illegal.

 

[techmike]

Better not own anything if you're worried about "big brother"? If you qualify for NFA you're not the sort BB is interested in. If your the guy BB is interested in owning NFA won't make any difference (unless it increases the tin foil budget).

Well Said HSO. My CLEO basically said the same thing...His thought is that a "bad guy" isn't going to go through the trouble of getting finger prints and paying $200.

For Cool NON-NFA guns I love AR-15's. They are like tinker toys or legos for men.