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Cops Raid Wrong Home, Taser Man

Discussion in 'General Gun Discussions' started by P12, Sep 17, 2003.

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  1. P12

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    Heh, at least is was a Taser. Hurts like hell but, he lived through it.
     
  2. Keith

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    "Outstanding warrants"...?

    I'd like to know what the actual target of this raid was guilty of.

    Keith
     
  3. Tamara

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    Looks like we have an early leader in the current "Understatement Of The Week" contest. ;)
     
  4. TallPine

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    Unpaid parking tickets, perhaps ...?

    Gotta crack down on that stuff, you know.
     
  5. Coronach

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    Seeing as how it is an arrest warrant, I'm going to go with "nothing, yet."

    He is, however, being charged with something. Judging by the fact that warrant service was conducted at 0-dark-30 and featured our favorite hobgoblin, the SWAT team, I'm guessing that it is either for something violent, or there was indication that he would resist.

    I hope, for the sake of all of our preconceived notions, that this was a no-knock warrant and it was a drug charge. ;)

    Mike
     
  6. Tamara

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    Coronach,

    Oh, I'm just betting that "messed up" is not the exact nor entire phrase that the good sheriff used around the cop shop, that's all. I'll bet his actual description used a lot more four-letter words and included phrases like "bloodsucking lawyers", "*&%#$@ liability!" and "how would you like to be demoted to dog catcher?" ;)
     
  7. tiberius

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    Mistakes are always going to be made, procedures need to be looked at. At least no one was killed.

    However, these “No-knock†entries are completely stupid. Is it really worth risking lives to prevent someone from flushing drugs down the toilet? I think not. If someone were to break down my door by mistake, I’m pretty sure that at least one of us would end up dead.
     
  8. lee n. field

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    It seems you hear about this kind of stuff about once a month. That's once a month for the times when they go the the wrong house and somebody gets _killed_ or close to it, by mistake. Heck, a little old lady in my Sunday School class had the local drug ninjas show up at her house -- wrong address.

    These guys need to get reined in. A couple officers, with a warrant, knocking on the door during business hours or around supper time. What's wrong with that.
     
  9. tyme

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    SKI MASKS?!?! CAMO?!?! :barf:
    (no-knock ninja raid a result of drug charges - sounds like the "suspect in an assault case" is just thrown in there to make the whole thing sound better. "Suspect" != arrest warrant)

    Deputies raid wrong home, stun wrong man

    THE ASSOCIATED PRESS
    OMAK -- Sheriff's deputies seeking a person on outstanding warrants broke down the door to the wrong home and then jolted a man with a Taser in front of his wife and child.

    "The bottom line is, we screwed up," Okanogan County Sheriff Frank Rogers said.

    No one was seriously hurt in the 4:50 a.m. Thursday incident, authorities and residents said Monday.

    Rogers said he delayed releasing information on the botched search until Monday so he could investigate the matter.

    The nine or 10 officers, most from the Okanogan County Sheriff's Office, were serving a "no-knock" warrant because they believed the man they were after was armed, said sheriff's Deputy Ernie Gahimer, who participated in the raid.

    The heavily armed officers, all wearing ski masks and camouflage clothing, used a battering ram to smash open the door to the trailer home, Gahimer said. With rifles and handguns drawn, they rushed inside.

    They thought they were at space 7 at the Homestead Trailer Park, the residence of Joseph M. Parisien, 30. He was wanted on two warrants and is a suspect in a second-degree assault, Gahimer said.

    Instead, they entered the trailer at space 9, occupied by four sleeping people: brothers Jose and Jesus Sanabria, Jesus Sanabria's wife, Adriana, and their 2-year-old child, Luis.

    Gahimer said both men resisted law enforcement officers until they were handcuffed face down on their beds. Officers used a Taser gun to subdue one of them.

    Gahimer said he did not know which man was jolted by the Taser. A relative of the men said Monday it was Jesus Sanabria.

    "I feel bad for the people," the sheriff said. "We'll just make amends as best we can."

    The sheriff's office asked the owners of the trailer park to replace the broken door as soon as possible and send the bill to the sheriff, he said.

    Raeann Sanabria, who is married to Jose, said the family is still waiting for a new door, plus replacements for two interior bedroom doors that were broken.

    "How can they get the wrong address? It doesn't make me like police very much," she said.

    While the deputies were in the wrong home, Parisien, the original target, ran out of another trailer and was arrested without incident, Gahimer said.

    Parisien was wanted on a Colville Tribal warrant for failure to appear and, according to a Spokane County Superior Court clerk, for allegedly violating conditions for his release pending sentencing on drug charges.

    Gahimer said police had the right trailer number on an Okanogan County search warrant. But a map provided by owners of the trailer park indicated space 7 was the fourth trailer on the left as counted when entering the park.

    Gahimer said deputies planning the raid did not count the first trailer because it was a double wide and faced another street.

    The sheriff's office is conducting an investigation to determine whether any officers should be disciplined, he said.
     
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    The thing that frosts me about these stories is that the Cops usually act like it's the fault of the person they attack. :fire:
     
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    "When we warn you for illegal U-turns around here, we really WARN you.":D

    From what I see, confusion is rampant in the criminal justice profession ("where's that file?", "what do you mean he has ANOTHER probation violation?", "I have a 3 o'clock?"), but when guns and the possibility of additional holes are involved, one should be extra careful.

    Mike, I think what scares the living behayzeus out of THR is the notion that the cops could get our addresses mixed up.:eek: No winners there!
     
  12. Coronach

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    Ah. It was an FTA warrant (fail to appear), and he was a suspect in a second degree assault (not sure what that means down yonder way, but likely it is felony assault). Depending on how strong the evidence was that he was armed and would resist, I can see a judge signing a no-knock on that. Even if it wasn't issued as a no-knock, the arrest team would still be going through the door if it wasn't opened. This is what I meant earlier...its not like every time a door gets kicked it is out of a no-knock (though this one was).

    Which is why it is utterly key that you have the, uh, correct freakin' address. :rolleyes:

    At least the Sheriff sounds like a stand-up guy. We screwed up. Landlord, fix their door ASAP and send the bill to us. We're investigating who is gonna get disciplined (yeah, thats what that should read as...which deputy is gonna end up eating this one, and rightly so).

    I'm guessing that there was a language barrier, too...which certainly did not help them sort things out while all the excitement was going on.

    Mike
     
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    Gee, and the occupants resisted...?

    There is no doubt in my mind that if faced with a similar situation, I'd start shooting and keep shooting until every one of them (or myself) was dead.

    It's just insane! Even in a case where a no-knock warrant is justified, it makes no sense for these cops to come in masked and without uniforms. A guy in a cop uniform kicks down my door, and I'll probably lay down spread-eagled guessing that they really ARE cops. A masked man in camo who kicks down my door will greeted with gunfire.

    Are they actually TRYING to get the occupants to shoot at them? This technique sounds like they are trying to set up a gun fight so they can execute the offender. It doesn't sound like anything you'd want to do to effect an arrest.

    Keith
     
  14. Coronach

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    Yeah, El T. I know.

    That scares the buhjeezus out of us too, because:

    1. Some day we could end up sailing through the wrong door. NOTHING good comes of that. We have to take the info given to us and run with it. "He lives here, right?" I mean, how hard is that?

    **note** that doesn't apply in this case, I know. But in others it has.

    **note2** I am not on a tactical team, and don't think I will be in the near future. So, no door kicking for Coro.

    2. We own houses, too. I shudder to think what would happen if a tactical team came pouring into my house at 4:30 AM. :eek:

    Mike
     
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    I just don't get it ....

    Whatever happened to discrete survellaince and nailing the guy when he goes out to get more beer?
     
  16. Coronach

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    Too many chases and public shootouts. ASSUMING you were correct in needing to do a tactical entry, you are placing the public at a lot more risk doing it that way.

    Mike
     
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    Well, I don't think you are ever correct in doing a "tactical entry", unless you have innocent lives in danger (hostages) or some sort of standoff already exists for some other reason.

    One of these days, a bunch of officers, and one or more residents, are going to die in a wrong house raid.
     
  18. Ol' Badger

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    Is there anything on the uniforms that say "POLICE" on it? But then the BGs can get the same stuff. I'd run myself, but then I dont have a Wife and kid to think about.
     
  19. Baba Louie

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    Do we need some large format, easily read in the dark Poster for the front door stating "Dear Officers of the Law... Please make certain of proper address on warrant prior to busting down this door and shooting occupants. We'd hate for you to "simply mess up"... signature affixed

    Adios
     
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    "Gahimer said he did not know which man was jolted by the Taser. A relative of the men said Monday it was Jesus Sanabria."

    They shot Jesus, what's this world coming to?!
     
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    I'm surprised this hasn't happened in my city yet. There's Stanford court apartment complexes. Then there's Dartmouth court on Stanford street and so is Princeton Court. I lived in Harvard court which is on Berkeley street, Berkeley Court apt complexes are on either Berkeley or Cornell St depending on whether the numbers were odd or even. Come to think of it, I think the odd-numbered half of Harvard Court was on Cornell street :eek:

    Are POLICE velcro badges and hats available to anyone? Seems like BGs can just buy those things and make their own raid jackets.
     
  22. Coronach

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    Well, in that we'll disagree. But its a diagreement I've had before here. ;) And, for the record, I held that same opinion before I wore a badge.

    However, I think such endevours should be limited, and uh...you gotta make sure you have the right doublewide there, Deputy. :uhoh: Otherwise someone could get shot in a tragic misunderstanding. :(

    Mike
     
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    I know I can get them without much problem. It just dependes on where you are and where you get them from.
     
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    These situations scare the crap out of me because I have had a cop try to serve a warrant at the wrong residence, namely mine. The cop got the address wrong but, thankfully, rather than kicking in the door, he knocked.
     
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    Just a few days ago I read an article in the Anchorage Daily News about some armed men raiding a "grow house" disguised as a "no-knock" raid.

    The BG's busted in and held a family at gun point and demanded they hand over drugs. The family had just moved in a few weeks previously, and the landlord acknowledged that he had ejected the previous tenant because he had converted the basement into a commercial marijuana growing operation.

    BG's get wrong addresses also...

    I wish I had saved the article, but it's probably been archived by now. This points out the fact you can NOT assume that somebody busting into your house is a cop. I may die, but I'm going to die shooting - and I'll be taking head shots...

    Keith
     
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