TheeBadOne
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Could be S.W.A.T.
Cops Raid Wrong Home, Taser Man
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Could be S.W.A.T.
Keith
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The problem with the pictures is that they are taken in daylight. What do those guys look like in the dark? What do they look like after a flash-bang grenade has gone off in front of your face?
I'm afraid I'd have to give the benefit of a doubt to anyone who shot at them in such a raid.
Keith
I'm afraid I'd have to give the benefit of a doubt to anyone who shot at them in such a raid.
Keith
TallPine
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And it takes all of this to arrest someone who didn't appear on a drug charge ....?
In the middle of the night ....?
I suppose they have day jobs, as mild mannered reporters, no doubt.
In the middle of the night ....?
I suppose they have day jobs, as mild mannered reporters, no doubt.
TheeBadOne
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The warrant was for Felony Assault with a Weapon.
TallPine
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Where is the part about Felony Assault with a weapon ....?
Hey badone
let me make this clear to you
If i have a firearm handy. Preferably a Fal... maybe a Fal para.. and a bunch of black hooded Anybodyt comes bursting htrough my door
i WILL leave as many as i can on the ground .. cold.
I live in the United States of America. You apparently desire to live in either Fascist Italy, Nazi Germany or Stalinist russia. Good luck to ya over there
let me make this clear to you
If i have a firearm handy. Preferably a Fal... maybe a Fal para.. and a bunch of black hooded Anybodyt comes bursting htrough my door
i WILL leave as many as i can on the ground .. cold.
I live in the United States of America. You apparently desire to live in either Fascist Italy, Nazi Germany or Stalinist russia. Good luck to ya over there
TheeBadOne
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TheeBadOne,
This would be less of a problem if police could correctly identify the home in the first place, no?
If they're going to burst into someone's home without giving them prior notice (like a knock on the door and an "Open up! Police!"), they must be 100% certain that they are getting ready to knock down the right door. Easier to do when they're going after an active threat (good application of swat!) than when they're running from house to house trying to find drugs (bad application of swat!)
Additionally, they must take full responsibility for their actions. No, I don't mean that the department should take taxpayers money to give to the families whose doors get kicked down and get tasered or killed. I think whoever ordered that door kicked down, whoever misread the map, whoever signed off the wrong address should get to pay out of pocket. And possibly serve jail time for inciting assault and/or murder.
This is like running a car off the road before giving them a chance to pull over. It would make for great stories if the driver turns out to be some uber-bad guy, but if not ...
I hate the idea of going tactical where there isn't an active threat, but if you want to play that way, you need to make sure that you are really serving and protecting. Serving and protecting non-LEOs that is, not just each other.
This would be less of a problem if police could correctly identify the home in the first place, no?
If they're going to burst into someone's home without giving them prior notice (like a knock on the door and an "Open up! Police!"), they must be 100% certain that they are getting ready to knock down the right door. Easier to do when they're going after an active threat (good application of swat!) than when they're running from house to house trying to find drugs (bad application of swat!)
Additionally, they must take full responsibility for their actions. No, I don't mean that the department should take taxpayers money to give to the families whose doors get kicked down and get tasered or killed. I think whoever ordered that door kicked down, whoever misread the map, whoever signed off the wrong address should get to pay out of pocket. And possibly serve jail time for inciting assault and/or murder.
This is like running a car off the road before giving them a chance to pull over. It would make for great stories if the driver turns out to be some uber-bad guy, but if not ...
I hate the idea of going tactical where there isn't an active threat, but if you want to play that way, you need to make sure that you are really serving and protecting. Serving and protecting non-LEOs that is, not just each other.
justashooter
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Can you show me where in the article your found information indicating the officers involved were "egotistical"? Also, from what basis of knowledge do you make the comment that they used "Die Hard part 16" in their training? No source I've read mentioned the officers "high fiving".
your lack of a sense of humour is understandable, as you are obviously
socially impaired. most cops are. that's sometimes why they take the
job - in an effort to put themselves in control of an uncomfortable place
we call "society"
Can you tell me your level of tactical training in dynamic entrys? Do you know what type of "masks" were worn? Were they nomex (fire retardent)? Were they used to conceal the identity of an undercover officer(s)? Were they for protection from chemical agents? From what basis do you claim the officers had no ID on their uniforms? We've all seen plenty of tactial teams outfitted with solid black, summer camo, winter camo, urban camo uniforms with ID on them.
well, i shot a groundhog in the barn door this afternoon with the 243.
the masks were described as ski masks to hide the identity of
undercover officers. didn't you read my earlier post?
the baltimore sun paper indicated that witnesses stated the uniforms
were not marked. the police changed their story about this issue
several times. the fact that the store owner was not charged seems
to resolve the question.
Again, could you state your credentials (or is this just a personal opinion not based on any training/personal work experiance?).
i'm trained as a welding engineer, and as a powerplant mechanic on
turbine fuel helicopter engines. i study the psychology of deviants
like police persons just for fun, and i saw "the longest day" 14 times
Yes, and while it may be pathetic, how is it relevant? It occured several states away with a different agency and had nothing to do with this entry. Is this A + B thus Z? Or just a general accounting/run down of police screw ups, thus they are all bad?
just noting that people in your profession, like most adolescents, rarely accept responsibility for their actions. a+b, therefore z shows intuitive thought process. cops like you tend to be linear thinkers, needing to have the dots connected for them
Thank you for your time
done with you. go play with your numbchucks
your lack of a sense of humour is understandable, as you are obviously
socially impaired. most cops are. that's sometimes why they take the
job - in an effort to put themselves in control of an uncomfortable place
we call "society"
Can you tell me your level of tactical training in dynamic entrys? Do you know what type of "masks" were worn? Were they nomex (fire retardent)? Were they used to conceal the identity of an undercover officer(s)? Were they for protection from chemical agents? From what basis do you claim the officers had no ID on their uniforms? We've all seen plenty of tactial teams outfitted with solid black, summer camo, winter camo, urban camo uniforms with ID on them.
well, i shot a groundhog in the barn door this afternoon with the 243.
the masks were described as ski masks to hide the identity of
undercover officers. didn't you read my earlier post?
the baltimore sun paper indicated that witnesses stated the uniforms
were not marked. the police changed their story about this issue
several times. the fact that the store owner was not charged seems
to resolve the question.
Again, could you state your credentials (or is this just a personal opinion not based on any training/personal work experiance?).
i'm trained as a welding engineer, and as a powerplant mechanic on
turbine fuel helicopter engines. i study the psychology of deviants
like police persons just for fun, and i saw "the longest day" 14 times
Yes, and while it may be pathetic, how is it relevant? It occured several states away with a different agency and had nothing to do with this entry. Is this A + B thus Z? Or just a general accounting/run down of police screw ups, thus they are all bad?
just noting that people in your profession, like most adolescents, rarely accept responsibility for their actions. a+b, therefore z shows intuitive thought process. cops like you tend to be linear thinkers, needing to have the dots connected for them
Thank you for your time
done with you. go play with your numbchucks
TheeBadOne
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"Yeah, but what about.....Yeah but what about.."
That is what this thread has degraded into. Go back and read my posts. I was addressing specific comments/questions. Instead of having them answered, the aguement goes off in another direction. This shows bias. With said bias present there can be no meaningful exchange of ideas.
All the best
That is what this thread has degraded into. Go back and read my posts. I was addressing specific comments/questions. Instead of having them answered, the aguement goes off in another direction. This shows bias. With said bias present there can be no meaningful exchange of ideas.
All the best
TheeBadOne
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That's called "generalizing". 'All cops...etc etc'. Not very objective, and anything but accurate. You may have called that "humor", but I call it put downs and bashing
Yes, but a newspaper article is not the best source for accurate information. (ie: .25mm handguns...)
Sigh, more blind bashing. I guess you just don't like police in general. That's too bad.
Sigh, more generalizations and put downs.
Keith
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You didn't address the question about a night time raid. How is anybody supposed to know the screaming banshee's kicking down their door are cops?
I can't see how anyone targeted in such a raid could be convicted for shooting. It just seems like a clear cut case of self defense to me - even if the guy is a legitimate criminal! Even criminals are allowed to defend themselves!
Keith
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