Correction my mistake Hardcast shooting in Glock,s is ok. See Article

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Polycoated Bullets and Polygonal Rifling - Will these run in my Glock?
4/1/2015

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Frequently Asked Questions,' this question requires a slightly longer answer.

The question comes up because of information (or misinformation?) about using cast lead bullets in barrels with polygonal rifling, and this stuff has been floating around on the web and in shooting circles for decades.

It also doesn't just affect Glocks, there are several manufacturers who use polygonal rifling, including H&K, CZ, Bersa, and others, but we rarely hear anything about them.

There are two distinct issues that I've heard regarding this topic: Excessive leading of the bore and poor accuracy. The issue of leading has been shown to generally be a myth. No matter what kind of rifling you use, if your bullet and load does not match your bore diameter well, you will get leading. If you use a fast, hot burning powder, or push the bullets very fast, you can get leading. It's been demonstrated by hundreds of competitive Glock shooters who run (properly loaded) hard-cast lead bullets that leading can be reduced or eliminated, so that just leaves the second issue: Accuracy.

Unlike the misinformation about leading, there IS some merit to the issue of accuracy in polygonal rifling. Traditionally cut rifling has very sharp corners on the lands which really bite into the surface of the bullet and impart spin. Polygonal rifling features more obtuse angles in comparison (think gentle rolling hills & valleys), and while this works great on jacketed or plated bullets, the relatively soft hard-cast lead bullets do not 'bite' as well on these.

Because of this, it becomes much more critical that your choice of bullet fits the bore diameter perfectly, so that the body of the projectile fills the grooves of the rifling and spins effectively (This is one of the reasons why we offer multiple sizing diameters on many of our bullets).

With our polymer coated bullets, suddenly this isn't as big of an issue, since the surface of the bullet becomes much tougher, more like a plated or jacketed bullet. These bullets will engage the rifling effectively, even if they are slightly undersized. However, for the best accuracy, measure your bore and pick the bullet which fits perfectly or is .001" over the size of the max bore diameter. Alternatively, if you don't want to slug your bore and measure, we offer sample packs in multiple diameters so you can test fire them and pick whichever one groups best!

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I did not read the Eggleston article before replying to your other thread. I just read it and it's interesting to note points made were nearly identical to mine which have been posted on THR since 2010, the year I joined THR - https://www.thehighroad.org/index.p...glock-handgun-see-below.847392/#post-11047664

I switched my USPSA match pistols to Glocks in the mid 90s and since have shot over 500,000 rounds of various lubed lead (BHN 10 to BHN 24 including tumble lubed), moly coated lead, regular plated, thick plated, powder coated, Hi-Tek coated, frangible and jacketed bullets and there are good reasons why lubed lead bullets are not used in Glocks at regional/national level matches. ;)

Unfortunately, advent of internet also brought "internet myths" which continues to perpetuate over decades and here on THR, we have done multiple "myth busting" threads to confirm or bust these myths (Mostly bust) - https://www.thehighroad.org/index.p...-and-discussions.778197/page-10#post-10966692

It goes with the saying, "Just because you read it on the 'internet' doesn't mean it's true." :eek:
 
Interesting.
Literally the best group I've ever gotten out of a handgun (and this includes my custom built PPC match revolver) was out of a Glock 21 with WW cast 200gr. .452 sized tumble lubed lead bullets cast from a lyman mold. If I remember right, it was a 10 shot group at 30 yards at around 1.5". One ragged hole.

Now, thats not to say I couldn't have gotten a better group with a different bullet,
But I wouldn't say that cast lead bullets are as a law inaccurate out of glocks.
 
I do believe general consensus now is 185 gr JHP is favored by bullseye match shooters as more accurate bullet.

Shooting Times: Loads For The Bullseye Shooter - https://www.shootingtimes.com/editorial/loads-for-the-bullseye-shooter/99418

"A common benchmark is that the gun must be capable of a 10-shot group at 50 yards that is less than 1.5 inches center-to-center ... In this report, I'm focusing on .45 ACP loads with 185-grain jacketed bullets. Jacketed bullets generally have the edge in accuracy over lead bullets, and among jacketed bullets, jacketed hollowpoint bullets are usually favored."


NRA Shooting Sports USA: USMC Match .45 Load - https://www.ssusa.org/articles/2016/4/07/usmc-match-45-load/

"Al Dorman, a 2670-level shooter and former National Civilian and .45 Caliber Conventional Pistol Champion. Dorman had developed the .45 ACP match load using input from a number of sources, including several benchrest rifle shooters and from former USMC match pistol armorer Michael Curtis.

The Dorman load ... Nosler 185 grain JHP; 4.1 grains of Vihtavuori N310 to a loaded cartridge overall length of 1.20” ... Test accuracy initially was on the order of 1 5⁄8” out of Dorman’s guns at 50 yards from a machine rest."


Starline: 45 Auto Bullseye Shooting - https://www.starlinebrass.com/articles/45-Auto-Bullseye-Shooting/

"I spoke to High Master shooters and even quizzed pistolsmiths. In addition to reloading manuals from the halcyon days of Bullseye shooting, I read forums, blogs and social media groups to glean any consistent information I could ... the best (meaning “most accurate”) sort of bullet appeared to be a 185 grain jacketed hollow point"
 
lol, well, I guess that just shows I'm not a bullseye match shooter, just a guy with a random used G21 off of gunauction.com, shooting it for the first time, using my generic handloads. Found out that 200gr. WW cast SWC's are plenty accurate enough for me out of a glock. Surprised the hell out of me for such a nonchalant situation.

WW 124's run great through my G19 as well, sized at .356 if I remember right.
Neither with any leading.
 
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I'm not a good enough shooter to have to work about the difference between jacketed and cast. My cast bullets are running me less than $0.03 each so I can get in a lot of shooting to get better.
 
I'm not a good enough shooter to have to work about the difference between jacketed and cast. My cast bullets are running me less than $0.03 each so I can get in a lot of shooting to get better.

I’m in to same boat. Even though you can get .45 ACP bullets for under $.12 a piece that 3x what my home cast bullets cost.

Once I’m fretting over the difference between a 2” group and a 1.5” group at 50 yards I’ll switch to strictly jacketed.
 
I shot several hundred 124gr Hi-Tek coated 9mm loads in a Glock G19 without any issues. If they were less accurate than plated or FMJ bullets I could not tell.

Additionally, I tried to make them fail at high velocities and could not. There was no leading at all in a P320 when shot over 1200fps with a full charge of Longshot which is considered a hot powder.

IMO Hi-Tek coated bullets are a great advance in bullet production giving us the savings of cast bullets with the cleanliness of plated/jacketed bullets.
 
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