Corrosive ammo warning Must READ!!

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For the last two years or so I've been shooting tula ammo through my (relatively)beautiful, un-issued yugo sks. I usually wipe the gun down after every shooting and actually clean the rifle after every 300 rounds or so. In other words sometimes the rifle would sit for a little while without cleaning but until now there were no adverse effects.

This morning I decided to take a light and look down the muzzle of my barrel to check the crown (which I never had) and thought I was looking the barrel of a mosin nagant that just got done shooting a couple hundred round of surplus and let sat for about a month. Okay maybe not that bad but still there was defiantly rust present and it took an hour of copper brush scrubbing, half a bottle of hoppes elite, and one of my old white t-shirts to get it clean. Luckily I think I got it cleaned up before there was any serious damage done to the barrel but the moral of the story is, it appears that the new batches of tula 7.62x39 are corrosive.
 
You said you were shooting surplus then blame it on tula? That did ain't gunna hunt
 
Two things
1) If I recall right the Yugos do not have chrome lined barrels. (correct me on this if I'm wrong) thus will rust much easier.
2) Powder residue will attract and hold moisture.
 
Corrosive ammo is not required to rust a barrel. The type of steel and moisture in the air are both factors. Non-chrome lined or not stainless steel can rust fairly quickly. Rounds between cleaning and oiling are far less important than time between.

In other words sometimes the rifle would sit for a little while without cleaning but until now there were no adverse effects.
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How do you know this is true if:

This morning I decided to take a light and look down the muzzle of my barrel to check the crown (which I never had)
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I see the moral of the story as slightly different. When a gun is fired it should be cleaned soon afterwards, as soon a time allows. This is just plain good shooting practice.

Additionally when a gun is fired there is fouling and burned powder residue. This residue will draw in moisture like a sponge depending on the environment which will lead to corrosion and rust. I would hope you completely cleaned the gas system too?

While some ammunition burns cleaner than other ammunition I have yet to fine one that leaves no residue. I don't quite see the Tula ammunition as the main contributor to the problem here. When it comes to ammunition you can pretty much get what you pay for, however, all guns should be completely cleaned immediately or at least soon after shooting, soon after being within 24/48 hours worst case.

Just My Take
Ron
 
fatcat4620 said:
"done shooting a couple hundred round of surplus and let sat for about a month. Okay maybe not that bad but"
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and thought I was looking the barrel of a mosin nagant that just got done shooting a couple hundred round of surplus and let sat for about a month.
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Read the whole post. He said he had an SKS, and was making a comparison to a corroded Mosin to help most readers get a better understanding of the condition.
 
68wj said:
Read the whole post. He said he had an SKS, and was making a comparison to a corroded Mosin to help most readers get a better understanding of the condition.
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My bad, reading comprehension had always been bad fir me since I am a product of the public school system.
 
Well if the newest Tula is corrosive just get the cheapest mil-surp you can get and save some dough.
But it's not. Tell you what.. get some known corrosive and do the same thing you did and then eyeball the bore.
 
tula ammo is not problem if it was corrosive and didn't clean the gun within hours of shooting it you would not believe the damage your gas system would suffer. i have seen corrosive ammo set up rust before you could get home from the range. if you shoot try to set aside the time within 3 days to clean and corrosive has to be cleaned as soon as you get home. take care of your children and they will serve you well.
 
WL Johnson,
That's correct yugo barrels are not chrome lined.

Justin J,
Generally when I clean my rifle I look at the barrel from the chamber end. I remove the receiver cover, bolt/carrier and spring and can see right down the bore. Also the fact that the swabs are coming rusty and dark as apose to blue from copper fouling like they normally do is a good indicator. This morning before I looked down the muzzle of the bore I opened the bolt for more light and actually saw some rust in the chamber, something I've never seen before.

Reloadron,
I realize I should clean my gun after every shooting but I don't. I was just reporting to everyone that after no changes in my shooting habits my barrel was showing some pretty nasty rust. I realize you can get some minor surface rust from residue but this is worse. I've put maybe 60 rounds through this rifle since it's last complete tear down and cleaning (yes I clean the gas system) and the rifle has been sitting in that state for about 3 weeks. You could say that I am the major contributing factor (as you suggested) but I know of no ammo that is not corrosive that would do that kind of damage.

Certaindeaf,
Yes Florida is wet but it's not like it's gotten anymore humid. Besides all I'm trying to say is that I've had more rounds through the gun and let it sit for longer and have never had these effects. By the way I know what surplus corrosive ammo will do to a barrel as I noted with that mosin I once saw, the results were similar to my yugo that was fed so called non-corrosive. Agree to disagree Tula is corrosive.
 
This morning I decided to take a light and look down the muzzle of my barrel to check the crown (which I never had)
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Too many variables involved if this was your first time looking down the bore.
 
elwoodm,
I have an m44 mosin nagant that get's fed exclusively surplus corrosive so I know of it's effects. That being said I've never had a gun start to rust one me a couple hours after shooting. The gas system is fine by the way not a spec of rust.
 
abelbridge,
If you read the rest of the post you would see that I've looked down the bore before, I just said I've never looked down at it from the muzzle end to check the crown. I always clean (and look down) the bore from the receiver end as should be done.
 
Well, it looks like you've got a class-action lawsuit in the making what with all your high-tec analysis and all. Or a slander case.
 
So this Tula ammo is supposed to be non-corrosive?

If the gun didn't get rusty previously and suddenly it has gotten rusty it may not be the ammo. It may be that something in the storage conditions has changed. A cool and strongly humid air around the gun could easily produce this sort of rust issue. The otherwise non-corrosive fouling would aid this process.

I know that around here in the summer when we all turn off our heating systems the basements stay nice and cool. But they also become quite humid. Enough so that I run a light bulb as a heater in the gun safes to avoid rusting. Perhaps something has changed with the oncoming of the cooler season to lower your own storage area temperature and thus raise the relative humidity where you store your SKS.

Or the ammo is simply not as non-corrosive as it's claimed to be.
 
Hahaha,

Anyways, all I shoot is corrosive ammo out of my AK and my Mosin. After shooting, while still at the range, flush the barrel with Windex (The water removes the salts, oil won't and the ammonia just helps clean a little, I guess) and then flush the Windex with WD-40. When you get home clean as normal. As for my AK I clean the chamber and barrel once in a while. Honestly I have cleaned the gas system ONCE, just a month ago. There was no rust at all.
 
I think there are just way too many variables here to be sure of the problem. That said, I think if the ammo was corrosive, you'd have seen some rust in your gas system as well.

I always try to clean my guns as soon as possible even if firing non-corrosive ammo. Corrosive ammo I'll clean immediately after firing. Non-corrosive (I generally air on the side of caution and assume everything's corrosive unless sure) ammo I might allow to wait a day or two if I'm busy but generally also get s cleaned shortly after the session. It just makes sense to do so.
 
AS many thousands of rounds of Tula ammo as is shot in this country every year, if it were indeed corrosive, we'd ALL know it by now. One person with a rusty gun doesn't prove anything about the corrosiveness of the ammo shot. There are far too many other factors to take into account without the ammo immediately being labeled as suspect. If the ammo really was the issue, I thin most gun boards would have threads on it by now....but yours is the only one I find making the claim
 
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