Cost per round calc for 9,15acp,40 should I start reloading?

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Hey all,

Happy Mall-idays!

Until about 6 months ago, I was shooting about 400 rounds per week of .40, 45 acp, and 9mm, mainly.

I have other calibers but those are the ones I mainly shoot. Has anyone calculated their cost per round of any of these lately. Lets say I stick to only shooting 9mm for $10 per box of federal from Wal-Mart (tax free NH). Is it worth it for me to start reloading? Just want to practice right now - nothing special.

Thanks

Before you say "try the search", I did.
 
I can't quote you numbers, and since primer prices are dropping right now, at different rates in different areas of the country, I'm not sure anyone can quote you a firm reloading price either. (It would really help to have your locale in your profile.)

But besides cost, thee are several other reasons to reload....
• It's FUN !
• You'll learn a heck of a lot more about your guns and ammunition in general
• Your shot groups will shrink by 50% with home-built ammo
• You'll always have ammo, and can get more at anytime (including 3AM)
• It absolutely doesn't cost any more than store-bought

And last and most important...
• It makes Janet Napolitano very angry


And really now, how can you honestly compare $10/box "cheapest ammo du jour" to home-crafted ammo that exceeds the quality level of top-of-the-line Hornady or Speer ?
 
I attached a calculator to see how much your batch of rounds will cost depending on how much your components are. It's an excel spreadsheet.
 

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I save 50 percent reloading 9mm. I save 67 percent reloading .45.


Others who cast their own bullets save even more.

There are a few qualifiers here. One is that you must buy your components in bulk to get the costs down. That means bullets by the thousands, powder by the 4# or 8# keg, primers in sufficient quantity that if you're ordering them online that you spread the hazmat fee over lots of primers.

That's a largely unwritten element of reloading to save money--you have to buy essentially $500 or $600-worth of components to get to that level of savings.

Further, you have to factor in your time. If you reload on a single-stage press, you're going to be hard-pressed to produce more than 100 rounds an hour. If you're shooting WWB at $21/box for 100, that means you'll save...maybe $10 or $11 an hour. Not so hot.

But if you eventually get a progressive press (I have the Hornady LnL AP), you can produce at much higher rates. I can comfortably do 300 rounds per hour on mine (I can go faster but it's not a race, the goal is good ammo, not fastest ammo).

That essentially "pays" me over $30 an hour to produce 9mm ammo (It's how much I save myself, per hour--10 cents per round). With .45 ACP, the "savings" are as much as $66 per hour. Who do you know that has a part-time job that pays them $66 per hour? :)


It will take you a while to get to that level. I started reloading in September of '08, about 16 months ago. I started on a single-stage press (I'd advise you to start there too, you learn better IMO that way and you'll want a single-stage press anyway when you get to a progressive). I learned the different steps of reloading, taking it easy as I learned them, and added capabilities as I progressed.

[I had to learn on my own; I had nobody to show me. If you have a friend who reloads who can help you learn, you'll learn faster.]

That said, let me echo what rfwobbly said--there are a lot of other, excellent, reasons to reload other than simply saving money. I have never been out of ammo during the shortage. I can fine-tune my ammo to my guns, and it's better ammo than store-bought. I find reloading relaxing, it's fun, it's fun to try out new things as I work up loads, I can experiment with different bullets, and I've learned a lot about my guns and guns in general.
 
Found Red Dot for $45 per 8lb. can at a gun show.
Stocked up on primers before the price increase.
Cast my own.
9's and .45's hit me for about 2 cents a round.
 
Since you've already said you've read the bazillion posts on this subject I won't repeat them beyond saying that the generic answer of about saving half or more the cost of store bought ammo still applies.. The larger the caliber the greater the savings, rifle much more $$ saved than pistol 'in general'.

As the cost of components has risen, so has the cost to the manufacturers which they must cover in their pricing.

An absolutely 100% guaranteed way to save a HUGE amount is by leaving the guns in the safe and not using them.
 
You won't save a dime reloading, and most of the posters above know it - they are all LIARS! (in the nicest way of course) You will shoot more, and start hoarding components because trying new and different powders is way fun - same with bullets, and brass. Chances are good you will have found a new hobby to sink your disposable income into, and your free time. I love it! You will save $$ per box. I mostly load 10mm and .308, though 7mm mag, .45 and .40 also get some time. Since I enjoy it so much, my time is free. I have two single stage presses side by side - which is a great, cheap, fast set up. I can crank out way more than a single press, and, though I can't get to progressive levels, can really crank 'em out if I need to. Box of 10mm is going for about $25 a box for the cheaper stuff right now, or 50 cents a round. Since brass is reusable, its cost shrinks every time you use it - less lost and damaged brass. Even using brand new brass and premium bullets my cost is less than 50 cents per, more like 40, and if I use Montana Gold bullets bought in bulk and 4x or 5x fired brass ( I have brass I have fired over 20 times) it gets really cheap - it's so cheap you'll go broke shooting.

It's the reloader's paradox.

Don't let anybody tell you you'll save money - they are wrong - even though it's cheaper.
 
I live in the same part of the country as you. Powder and primers are available locally, but you are better off buying in bulk online.

If I shoot outside, using lead bullets, my cost for 45 auto is under $6/50

If indoors, shooting jacketed bullets, it goes up to $8/50

My little lee turret will do about 150 rounds an hour. I started reloading about a year ago, and it was a decision based on availability of ammunition, not price. The cost of the equipment and your time will likely negate any savings for the first couple thousand rounds. Reloading is a hobby itself. If it is a hobby you could be interested in, I say go for it. If your motivation is only cost savings, and you are the type to calculate your "per hour pay" into reloading costs, its probably not for you.
 
As I often post around the net, the "cost of my time" argument is a little bogus -IMHO.

Unless you are using time for which you would otherwise be getting paid (and they don't let me reload here at work - lol) your FREE time is just that....free. You get to choose what hobbies/chores/entertainments fill up that free time until it is time to go back to work for pay.... but you can't calculate a labor cost for them.
 
As I often post around the net, the "cost of my time" argument is a little bogus -IMHO.

Unless you are using time for which you would otherwise be getting paid (and they don't let me reload here at work - lol) your FREE time is just that....free. You get to choose what hobbies/chores/entertainments fill up that free time until it is time to go back to work for pay.... but you can't calculate a labor cost for them.
Only a little bogus, though. In the time it takes to drive to Walmart and back to pick up my week's worth of ammo, I can produce twice the number of rounds at my reloading bench.
 
Before I started reloading I thought I would really like it.

I started and I liked it more than I thought I would.

Then I shot more than I thought I would.

Then I got better at shooting.

Now it is my hobby along with shooting.

It pains me to shoot factory . I like my loads.
 
I find myself spending more time on the computer looking for good deals on reloading stuff, its becoming another hobby in itself!!!
Save all your brass and pick up all the "other" brass you can!! It will save you money down the line if you reload. If you decide not to, than guys like me and thousands of others will be on here to buy it from you !
Be safe, enjoy.
Mike
 
I'm loading .44 Special, .44 Mag and.45 ACP for just a tad over $5.00 / 50 rds with cast bullets.

9mm, .38's & .357's are a bit under $5.00 /50 rds with cast bullets.

I average around 1,500 rds a month in total. At the current ammunition prices I figure I'm saving $400 / month so I could be buying a new Dillon 550b set-up every 6 weeks with the savings.
 
I once did a pretty exhaustive analysis on how long it would take me to save enough by reloading to pay off a new Dillon XL650 with a case feeder. Had a nice graph and everything.

The bottom line was that after reloading about 5,000 rounds, the Dillon press would have paid for itself. Since I shoot a lot between practice and twice monthly matches, the wife was impressed enough to give her OK to the purchase.

My forum buddies however were totally non-plussed. Whats more they thorougly flamed me for suggesting that you could attach a monitary value to reloading. Some were quite insistant that if I weren't reloading for the shear pleasure of pulling that lovely red, or green handle, then I should just get my ammo from Wally World and resign myself to forever being just a gunstore cowboy.

The moral of the story: Asking the reloading forum if its worth it to reload, is like asking George Bush if invading Iraq was the right thing to do. You already know the answer.:D

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I won't say "use the search function". But, check out this sticky thread: http://www.thehighroad.org/showthread.php?t=18835
 
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The moral of the story: Asking the reloading forum if its worth it to reload, is like asking George Bush if invading Iraq was the right thing to do. You already know the answer.
I think that Wilkersk is correct. I'd likely still be casting and loading my own even if it cost me more then buying it did. :D
 
Is it worth it for me to start reloading?

Only you can answer that. I started reloading around four years ago to save money. After around a month I reloaded because of the fun factor and the money savings wasn't that important any more. Don't get me wrong we all like to save money, it just wasn't the reason I was reloading any more. Anybody that buy's components in bulk should be able to reload for at least half of what cheap factory ammo cost. I think rfwobbly nailed it with his post.
 
Buy cake or bake cake

Me, I don't care if I save money or not when reloading. I have asked the headline question to many a lady that likes to bake cake. They do it mainly for the satisfaction of baking a great cake that they themselves created.

One of my hobbies is to reload and shoot - in that order. Nothing is more stress relieving than for me than to cast boolits after a carpy day at work. I also make tools and such to enhance my pleasure of hand crafting ammunition.

For example I decided I would make my own large melting pot. I was not prepared to pay a few hundred $'s to buy one so spent about a 1K clams on getting a decent wire welder and made my own. I also decided to make my own sizer dies for my Star sizer so bought a lathe. See, no money savings here, but lots of satisfaction. How do you price satisfaction Mr Accountant?

See some of my work here: http://bliksemseplek.com/boolits.html

Bliksem
 
I figure I can reload .40 for about $8-9 per 50. I buy Zero 180gr FMJ bullets for $195/2000 and Titegroup for $104 at Powder Valley. I buy CCI SP primers at Graf's for $110/5000. I get my brass from LEO Brass for $3/100. I usually order more than just those items, so that I have only a single hazmat and shipping fee. However, being generous with the numbers and assuming that I am not thrifty and order only what I need for .40, here are my calculations:

Bullets
$195 + $12 shipping = $207/2000 = 1.04 cents/bullet

Powder
$104 + $19.95 shipping + $22.50 hazmat = $146.45/8lbs

8lbs= 56000grains
4.8grains is max load
Assuming max load, then: $146.45/56000grains = .27 cents/grain
4.8grains x .0027 cents = 1.26 cents/load

Primers
$110 + $4.50 + $22.50 hazmat = $137/5000 primers = 2.74 cents/primer

Brass
$3/100
If I buy 1600, then
16 x $3 = $48 + $11 shipping = $59/1600 pieces = $3.7cents/brass

Total:
Bullets 1.04 cents
Powder 1.26 cents
Primer 2.74 cents
Brass 3.7 cents

8.74 cents/round
= $4.37/50 rounds
= $8.74/100 rounds
= $87.4/1000 rounds
 
"You won't save a dime reloading, and most of the posters above know it - they are all LIARS! (in the nicest way of course)"

Reloading seems analagous to fly tying. It's an ongoing joke that you can save money by tying your own flies. Yes, the individual fly/round may be cheaper, but there is an inventory cost to consider. I've got several thousand dollars "tied up" in fly tying stuff. Hobbies can be painfully expensive, but if you enjoy it...

My question:
If you also have to purchase the brass for each load, does that push it out of being economical? The range I shoot at keeps all of the brass whether you shoot your own or store -purcahsed ammo. They sell range use reloads for $16.50 for a box of .40cal and charge you $5 if you bring your own.

Edit: Thanks for that breakdown giggitygiggity. Looks like could indeed see some real savings.
 
If you also have to purchase the brass for each load, does that push it out of being economical? The range I shoot at keeps all of the brass whether you shoot your own or store -purcahsed ammo. They sell range use reloads for $16.50 for a box of .40cal and charge you $5 if you bring your own.

Depends. It really starts to eat up your savings. It's still more economical but not as much. I used to go to a range in Tacoma, WA that was the same way. Only went there when I just had to shoot. Finding a different range if possible would be best.

Also depends who you get your brass from. For the first time I bought range (once or more fired).45 ACP brass at $55/K locally. I've been losing a lot at competitions. If you look online finding once fired is kinda hard and even pricey. Most is range pick up; where they assume that most is once fired.

Rifle is even more pricey as some buy new. YMMV.
 
I figure I can reload .40 for about $8-9 per 50. I buy Zero 180gr FMJ bullets for $195/2000 and Titegroup for $104 at Powder Valley. I buy CCI SP primers at Graf's for $110/5000. I get my brass from LEO Brass for $3/100. I usually order more than just those items, so that I have only a single hazmat and shipping fee. However, being generous with the numbers and assuming that I am not thrifty and order only what I need for .40, here are my calculations:

Bullets
$195 + $12 shipping = $207/2000 = 1.04 cents/bullet

Powder
$104 + $19.95 shipping + $22.50 hazmat = $146.45/8lbs

8lbs= 56000grains
4.8grains is max load
Assuming max load, then: $146.45/56000grains = .27 cents/grain
4.8grains x .0027 cents = 1.26 cents/load

Primers
$110 + $4.50 + $22.50 hazmat = $137/5000 primers = 2.74 cents/primer

Brass
$3/100
If I buy 1600, then
16 x $3 = $48 + $11 shipping = $59/1600 pieces = $3.7cents/brass

Total:
Bullets 1.04 cents
Powder 1.26 cents
Primer 2.74 cents
Brass 3.7 cents

8.74 cents/round
= $4.37/50 rounds
= $8.74/100 rounds
= $87.4/1000 rounds
Your bullet cost is off by a factor of 10. You're paying $0.104 per bullet, or 10.4 cents. That makes your cost per round 18 cents. Revised numbers:

18 cents/round
= $9.00/50 rounds
= $18/100 rounds
= $180/1000 rounds


Still good for .40, but nothing as dramatic as you first stated.

Edit: Actually, you first stated that you were reloading at about $9/box, which then didn't match up with the figures you supplied. And now we know why :D
 
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How Long to Pay for Equipment

The attached link adds a little twist to the cost calculator as it will tell you how may rounds it will take to pay for your equipment. It does not take in the Fun Factor to reloading and reloading non punishing loads that increase the fun factor. Take a serious look at reloading and you will enjoy the outcome.

Be safe

Clint
 
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