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Crazy guy stabs people in NY - off-duty cop shoots him

Discussion in 'General Gun Discussions' started by security6, Oct 7, 2007.

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  1. security6

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    From: http://www.nydailynews.com/news/cri...woman_fights_for_life_after_psycho_goes_.html


    I find it ironic that the cop, who was carrying a gun off-duty, was called a hero while it is illegal for almost all non-LEOs to carry a gun.
     
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  2. Biker

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    And he only shot once...damn shame.

    How many people just watched while this was happening, I wonder?

    Biker
     
  3. lacoochee

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    Aside from the obvious, people should be able to defend themselves properly when needed.

    I am still reeling from the last line in the article.

    Has the city of Bloomberg really sunk this low? So if he had a couple of beers while eating in the restaurant he would have had to sit this one out?:banghead:
     
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    Agreed why did he only shoot one round. You shoot until they are no longer a threat. I sometimes wonder if we train ourselves wrong. Take a shoot and look. You need to varry how many shoots you take. It might be just one and it might be 15 to stop the threat.
     
  6. GRB

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    While I do not think he did anything of truly heropic proportions, I can certainly understand how people who saw him take down the bad guy consider him a savior for the woman who was being attacked. I just don't see the irony in calling him a hero.

    I do see the irony that it was a gun that saved someone in a city where it is extremely difficult to obtain a carry permit. Had anyone else been armed, the attack may have come to a sudden end almost as soon as it began, or maybe would not have begun at all.

    I think that virtually everyone of our citizens, and legal resident aliens, except psychos, folks unable to safely handle a weapon, and people in jail, should be allowed to keep and bear arms. Things like this would be less commonplace for sure.

    As far as the officer only firing one shot, well if the threat stopped upon one shot being fired, then the officer did exactly as he was supposed to have dione under current laws in NY, and in most if not all places in the USA. By the way, 2nd Avenue near 35th Street is one heck of a busy area pedestrian and auto traffic wise at about any time of the day or evening. Taking even one shot in such an area could be extremely risky to bystanders. Granted this officer seems to have been a decent shot, but I will say better not to tempt fate with multiple shots when not needed, and better not to face possible manslaughter charges. Should it have to be that way when taking down a psycho who is trying to kill someone? I know that part of me would like to say no. That part thinks the bad guy deserved to die right at the moment he was plunging the knife into the woman, and that the officer should have made sure he did die, but that is just emotion speaking. Pratically speaking each shot potentially endangers bystanders, so shoot until you stop the threat is fine by me; and I understand and support laws to that effect. I also think the actions of this officer were quite commendable. There was a man who acted as he should have under stress, as did the other officers who came to his assistance in subduing the dirtbag.

    All the best,
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    OK Bloomberg.... You gonna move to ban knives? It's only fair since you used the same excuse to go after guns.
     
  8. GRB

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    Don't be surprised if Bloomberg tries just that, he is a political uber leftist. They have done it in the UK where you cannot even carry a pocket knife; and last year in Scotland there was talk of outlawing weapons like beer mugs and bottles! Imagine trying to do that, I guess all glass products would be next.
     
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    What do you expect from a guy named Deranged? Who would name their kid that?
     
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    Wow. I was twelve blocks away from that spot at the time. Legally disarmed, of course.

    I agree Chin acted appropriately. If one shot was sufficient to stop the attacker, more that that might have resulted in legal difficulties for him. Well done!
     
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    And cooking knives cannot have points. They must be rounded.
     
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    Hero is correct for the moment, IMHO.

    Many even with a CCW have mentioned, it is for them and theirs not to assist others (ever).

    The man did not need to be involved at all. But he took it upon himself to do what he felt was necessary for the moment and fired to stop the man.

    I believe he is a hero and if asked by the ones who were there and victims I'd say they might consider him one also.

    I find this site to have a very high group that are anti-cop (LEO), sort of reminds me of the folks who are anti-guns to be honest.;)
     
  13. v35

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    Daily News caption:
    How can a guy repeatedly stabbing a woman with four bloody knives be called a suspect?

    :barf:
     
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    Has not been found guilty by his peers as of yet:what:

    But he was guilty in the eyes of the guy shooting him, hopefully ''Chin" will be addressed as "hero" instead of what is transpiring at this location by some.
     
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    Harley Quinn, not to pick a fight or anything but no one here is saying that Chin did anything wrong, there was just one opinion that a guy doing his duty as a police officer should not be labeled heroic. Not that he shouldn't be congratulated or did the wrong thing.

    Up until the last decade or so, the term hero was reserved for people who did things that were truly extraordinary. Now it used anytime someone does something that at would have at one time be considered something as simple as their civic duty.

    So a citizen with a concealed weapon, with absolutely no duty to interfere , shooting a knife wielding mad man in New York City might be considered heroic (given that swift prosecution is sure to follow). A police officer doing the same might be considered to have just been doing their job much as we all do everyday.
     
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    A real hero is the Singh guy.

    The only other person to come to aid was the one that just got stabbed and slashed. Where the hell was everyone else?

    Jeesus, How can people stand and watch this sort of thing?

    I know people will say that im a keyboard ninja and i dont know how i would actually react if i was there, but i have been "there" a few times and i have acted accordingly.
     
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    I dont get it. When will we realize that these psychotics cant be rehabilitated? We waste so much time and money trying, we need to just start putting them down. If you're not competent enough to not go on stabbing rampages as soon as you breathe fresh air, you dont need to be alive.
     
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    Unarmed and watching some maniac cuttin' up an old crippled Lady? There are trash cans, trash can lids, the contents of the trash cans - bottles, etc.- bricks, car antennas, false charges followed by retreat to draw knife-boy away from his victim.

    Often, all it takes is for one person to make a move and everyone else follows.

    Biker
     
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    Biker, Funny you should say that, im reading a book called the Tipping Point for an advertising class.

    It mentioned Goetz and the subway shooting, how that triggered a somewhat rise to vigilance and neighborhood watches and decrease in crime rate.
     
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    Some psychotics are easily managed with medications. Others are even cured after treatment. Others not either way, and they remain dangerous. If you are not competent to act normally because of a disease, maybe life in an institution would be okay, but executing them because they are sick is pretty old fashioned - like about the late 1930s and earlier.

    Of course, you have a good point, that is if a guy keeps being violent to the extreme, and keeps hurting or attempting to people, because either he/she cannot be cured, treated, or refuses treatment (such as stops taking meds) - then maybe execution is warranted. That would save all around with regard to suffering of more victims, expenses of treating and caring for the psycho, housing him/her (all tax dollars of course); and it maybe better than a lobotomy in the long run. Still though I would think that such a person would be entitled to a fair trial like anyone else, would have to be judged by a jury of his peers, and would get all the same legal benefits as would anyone else before having a death sentence passed on him or her (I am an equal execution opportunity sort of a guy when it comes to gender). Of course, I would like to see our legal system streamlined somewhat with regard to appeals, and swifter justice in such cases, but also strengthened so that if there is a way to be most certain of guilt in such captial cases, then such evicence must be presented (such as DNA evidence) since I think executing even a few innocent people is very bad. Don't get me wrong, I support the death penalty in many cases, even in the cases of some of those who are deranged, I just think we should be as certain as possible when something like DNA could make or break a case.

    All the best,
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    Well not many trash cans around any more, but your point is well taken and correct. Anyone could have helped, and someone should have. Even the woman's cane may have been available as a weapon. The sad thing is that in disarmed places like NYC people are often just like sheep and depend on the sheep dogs all to much.
     
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    It is not a Justice System. It is just a system. ~Bob Enyart

    I have found this to be true the hard way.
     
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    Point taken but it's been a long time since I've seen a trash can or a stray brick or two on the corner of 2nd and 34th, and breaking off those car antennas is tough compared to draw and fire. That's why carry laws exist for those places that still recognize the 2A.
     
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    Wait a second here... was it the perp or the victim who was the crazed mental patient?
     
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    Singh tried to stop the person from taking the knives and then ran and was being chased by the "knifer''...He was the Chef at the place the knives were taken, then he was chased to the stabbing location...
    The "knifer" then started stabbing the women and Chin came to her rescue.

    That is how I read the article any way:confused:
     
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