Crazy idea for gun storage...

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Either build out a wall enough to hide a safe and put up the fake book case or put it in front of a closet.

http://www.hiddensafes.com/large.htm


PlayboyPenguin said:
Okay, this idea has made my partner think I am completely insane but here goes. I have decided that I would like to build one of those fake book cases that open up to reveal a weapons vault behind them. Like the ones in the movies. It would just appear to be built in bookcases from outside but a hidden release would unlatch the cases and allow them to swing out like french door revealing a nice gun display wall inside. It should be pretty easy to do. I do own a construction business for goodness sake. I even have the perfect place. A closet in my office area that I removed the doors from and turned into display space (pictured below). I know it is childish but I think it would be neato.:D
 
Playboy & All;

The problem with the uber-cool hidden closet/room/armoir/etc, is fire protection. There isn't any. Now Cosmoline has stated that; "Gun safes are thief magnets". True. But the security strictly depends upon what one is calling a safe.

Most of the Residential Security Containers that are called safes, aren't. Underwriter's Labs won't list Liberty, Cannon, Ft. Knox, Browning, etc., etc., as safes. However, if you do buy a U.L. safe, you have an entirely different, read higher, level of protection than what you get when you spend good money for an R.S.C. In other words, a high-end Liberty isn't a safe, but it will cost about 80% as much & give you about 20% of the protection.

When I sell one of my customer's a true safe, I don't care if it is a thief magnet. Let 'em try, the pickings are much easier down the street. Match the cost of protection to the seriousness of the prospective loss. Don't spend $4,000.00 on a true safe & put $250,000.00 worth of guns & jewelry in it. Spend $30,000.00 on the protection, it's still cheaper than the premiums over the long run. Don't put $12,000.00 worth of guns in a $700.00 R.S.C., spend the $4,000.00 for the safe.

900F
 
cant find it

Got a direct link to that very nice looking cabinet? Really, my wife says it ca be inside the house!!!
C-
 
My state is a no questions, no retreat required. Therefore shoot first is permitted. If lethal force is permitted, so gas should also be permitted. And who says you must be at home anyway! Intruder detection notifies security company and sets off gas; what a hoot.:D
 
I have built a coffee table for a friend in a condo with concrete walls and floors. the coffee table looks generic, a big black base with a acrylic top. the top is actually attached to the sides of the box via a hinge, the top of the base slides open and presto, a 20 long gun and several hand gun security place.

have built bases for beds and hedboard that do the same. done the hidden door. (try SOSS hinges, no visible means of support)

perhaps the simplest it to shorten a bedroom closet, many have dead spaces that extend far beyound the bifold or sliding door. shorten that space, add a somewhat discrete door and hang a couple of old overcoats agaisnt it and you are good to go. Our first house had a closet that was wedge shaped under the stairs. I blocked that off and that became a secret space that held much of my ammo and hand guns.
 
I agree that the lack of fire protection, would be an issue with these built-in "safes". When I built my house, that I designed, many years back (slab foundation - no basement), I considered incorporating something of this nature .... but didn't. If I could've re-done it .... especially being here in "tornado alley", I would've designed-in, a small "Safe-Room"; reinforced concrete, lockable from both inside, and out .... as 'fire resistant' as possible .... then maybe install a 'gun safe', within the safe-room itself (double layer protection).
A small room, either hidden or not, maybe 6'x 6' or so, could easily be built-in, if the layout of the house were large enough to accommodate it .... would be a major PITA for someone to attempt it as a retro-fit. Might be worth it however, for the person that has an "inventory", that is large & valuable enough to warrant that kind of investment.
As for myself, over the years I've allowed the size of my collection to "dwindle", to the point that it wouldn't really even be worth the expense, for me to spend the $'s for the protection a 'good' safe could provide.
 
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pete f said:
perhaps the simplest it to shorten a bedroom closet, many have dead spaces that extend far beyound the bifold or sliding door. shorten that space, add a somewhat discrete door and hang a couple of old overcoats agaisnt it and you are good to go.
That's one of those ... those... what do they call it? Synchronicity things.

Not that I believe in anything like that, but interesting that a THR member would post about what I've been drawing up all day.

Thanks for the ideas. SOSS hinges. Check. Old coat. Check.

Much cheaper than a safe for a few guns, and in a protected room, deep within the bat cave.

Bwwwaaaahahahahaha....:evil:

Nem
 
Fire protection

Years ago I built exactly what you are proposing,Bhind the book case I built a display rack,it was very cool, very James Bond like.One year when my wife and I were on vacation we had a fire,our computer which was in the same room as the book case was melted into a big plastic teardrop and just about every thing else in the room was destroyed.The guns, however were fine. The fire inspector thought it might have been the thickness of the books that protected the guns.Just a thought
 
Chrontius said:
I've been thinking about building a bed which hinges up to reveal a rather large safe... add some pneumatics to lift it up after a latch is tripped.

Something like this?

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http://www.storagebeds.com/storagebeds.htm
 
To those thinking about weight being too much for the hinges, perhaps setting it up so that it pivots through the midpoint rather than on one edge would increase the load enough to matter?
 
Did just such a hidden storage bookcase, a few years ago -

bookcasemontage.jpg

It was for the storage / display of replica sci-fi movie hand weapons. I had a dilemma, house in the suburbs of L.A., only major wallspace in my home office is in full view of a large bay window. Didn't want a wall full of 'weapons' visible from the sidewalk. I had the same glee about the movie secret-stash idea, so I ran with it.
The pictured case was a 'proof of concept'. It's anchored to the wall for stability, the door / shelves uses a full-length piano hinge for strength / smoothness. I put some trim moldings to camoflage the joint. And used a pin dropped into the backing of the shelves from the shelf above as a latching device.
The shelves hold VHS and DVDs.

And speaking of synchronicity, I just demolished it today, as part of a major home office remodel.

I do however have some plans to build it again for 'real', using quality woods, better trimmings, a better latch mechanism and likely some low voltage lights inside the display portion AND in the visible top shelves as 'explanation' for the power cord running to it.

Lots of visitors. No one ever spotted it until I surprised them with it.

The replacement will have slightly different proportions, deeper shelves / shallower interior space and less-tall shelves so that the backplane isn't so visible. There'll be even less visual clues that something is out of whack.
 
rayra said:
Did just such a hidden storage bookcase, a few years ago -

bookcasemontage.jpg

It was for the storage / display of replica sci-fi movie hand weapons. I had a dilemma, house in the suburbs of L.A., only major wallspace in my home office is in full view of a large bay window. Didn't want a wall full of 'weapons' visible from the sidewalk. I had the same glee about the movie secret-stash idea, so I ran with it.
The pictured case was a 'proof of concept'. It's anchored to the wall for stability, the door / shelves uses a full-length piano hinge for strength / smoothness. I put some trim moldings to camoflage the joint. And used a pin dropped into the backing of the shelves from the shelf above as a latching device.
The shelves hold VHS and DVDs.

And speaking of synchronicity, I just demolished it today, as part of a major home office remodel.

I do however have some plans to build it again for 'real', using quality woods, better trimmings, a better latch mechanism and likely some low voltage lights inside the display portion AND in the visible top shelves as 'explanation' for the power cord running to it.

Lots of visitors. No one ever spotted it until I surprised them with it.

The replacement will have slightly different proportions, deeper shelves / shallower interior space and less-tall shelves so that the backplane isn't so visible. There'll be even less visual clues that something is out of whack.
very nice...almost exactely what I was picturing. now if I could just get motivated enough to do some work here.
 
So, here's a stream-of-consciousness description of the project i'm working on.

After pricing 'inexpensive' <cough CHEAP> metal gun 'safes' (or some euphamism for said 'safes' like 'home security cabinet'), I've been dreaming, thinking, planning a less expensive but more effective option.

Imagine a closet with dimensions shallow & long.

That is, as you enter the closet door (1), you can touch the back wall (shallow) but both left & right are well beyond your reach (long).

Further imagine that one end of said closet is a dead end of sorts. At least two walls on one end are backed by regions not easily accessible by hack saw, jaws of life, sledge hammers, and the like. Those walls are brick or second floor outer walls, not easily busted into by a stoopid crack head.

Further more, imagine reinforcing those walls, on the inside, with 8 to 10 ga. steel plates.
(Translation: even after they crawl up 13 feet and tunnel past the brick, they hit heavy steel. Bummer. :evil: )

Now, build a 4x4 timber frame between the 'back' walls of this cul de sac and the door into it (see 1), then hang an 8 or 10 ga. door (2) on heavy hinges on that frame.

When you're not home, a hasp locked by a good pad lock on door 2 will retard entry by parasites of any species.

Oh, did I mention? Closet door 1 is inside of an interior room guarded by an exterior, solid core door (3).

Yeah, I'm one of those that feels that important rooms - like bedrooms & offices - are worthy of protection by exterior doors, even in interior spaces. Not to mention the benefit of comfortable temperature control offered by weather stripping of that exterior door.

Spaces inside of spaces inside of spaces...inside of spaces...

If, no when layer 1 fails (if they want in bad enough, and have the right skills, then it WILL fail), then layer 2 slows them down. If they bust through it, then they hit layer 3, and exclaim, " :what: ".

Just thinking out loud here.

Ideas welcomed. Then it becomes a community project. ;)

Nem
 
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Another Idea

My wife wanted a display case in living room. I bought a cake case from bakery was perfect had lights & shelf brackets but was 14 inches shorter than ceiling so needed to be trimmed in. I made a 30 inch panel in the middle that was hinged on bottom but was stumped what to use for latch until she brings home these magnetic kid latches for kid proofing the sink cabinets. they are great. No outside visual indicators of a latch, but put the magnet in the right place & panel falls open. You can put these all over house & all you need is magnet to open. hope this helps. Eagle357
 
A friend of mine just finished building a new home.

In the (large) garage, off of any blueprints, there's some steps (behind a door) into a room below the reinforced concrete floor. The stairs terminate in an old bank vault door which opens to an 8' X 8' poured/reinforced concrete room lined with gun storage racks/shelves. The whole thing is temperature & humidity controlled.

If I had any safe queens that I were truely concerned about, I'd take them to live at my buddies place.

But as much as I like that safe, and as neat as it is ... I can't shake how cool it would be to go to a bookshelf and yank on an Al Franken book and see the thing swing open to expose the gun collection. :D
 
Janitor said:
But as much as I like that safe, and as neat as it is ... I can't shake how cool it would be to go to a bookshelf and yank on an Al Franken book and see the thing swing open to expose the gun collection. :D
I do have his books. I believe in reading both sides of a story so I read his and some conservative books. Al's seem to hold up alot better when it comes to economics, politics, and most general topics. he seems to do alot more fact checking and mathmatical analysis. We do however part ways on lots of issues since he is quite a bit further left than I am...:)
 
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