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Statistics on crime by NRA

Discussion in 'General Gun Discussions' started by Sky, Sep 21, 2010.

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  1. Sky

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    Déjà Vu, All Over Again: "More Guns, Less Crime"

    Paul Helmke and Dennis Henigan -- spokesmen for the beleaguered Brady Campaign these days -- are old enough to know what a phonograph record is, so for their benefit we'll put it this way: At the risk of sounding like a "broken record," gun ownership has risen to an all-time high, and violent crime has fallen to a 35-year low. Coinciding with a surge in gun purchases that began shortly before the 2008 elections, violent crime decreased six percent between 2008 and 2009, according to the FBI. This included an eight percent decrease in murder and a nine percent decrease in robbery.

    Since 1991, when total violent crime peaked, it has decreased 43 percent to a 35-year low. The murder rate, less than half what it was in 1980, is now at a 45-year low. Throughout, the number of guns that Americans own has risen by about four million a year, including record numbers of the two types of firearms that the Brady folks would most like to see banned -- handguns and the various firearms they call "assault weapons."
     
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    And if you're in a debate with someone who views NRA stats with suspicion, here are the 2009 figures from the FBI Uniform Crime Reports:

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    http://www.fbi.gov/page2/september10/crime_091310.html

    And for those still thinking that the sky is still falling due to the expiration of the 1994 Feinstein non-ban in 2004 and the huge rush on AR-15's/AK's/generic EBR's in 2008-2009, rifle homicide is now at what appears to be an all-time low. All styles of rifles combined, including so-called "assault weapons", accounted for only 2.55% of murders in 2009, or 348 out of 13,636.

    And it wasn't just rifles, either; gun-involved murders were down significantly across the board. Stats from Table 20, Murder by State and Type of Weapon:

    Total murders...........................13,636.....100.00%
    Handguns.................................6,452......47.32%
    Firearms (type unknown)..................1,928......14.14%
    Other weapons (non-firearm, non-edged)...1,864......13.67%
    Edged weapons............................1,825......13.38%
    Hands, feet, etc...........................801.......5.87%
    Shotguns...................................418.......3.07%
    Rifles.....................................348.......2.55%
     
  4. Sky

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    It is always amazing how well meaning individuals or groups define a small point of reference and totally miss the big picture.

    Mexico (28,000? in 2 yrs), Russia (20,000,000? thanks to Stalin) Cambodia (6,000,000? Pol Pot), and pick any other country where the population has been disarmed and the crime statistics or extermination of the residents is something that can get your attention quickly. Didn't even mention Germany and the Jews or several other countries where for their protection the guns were turned in or confiscated.

    I don't have the exact numbers and neither does anyone else. Just approximations.

    Even one person is a lot to me especially if I be the one!

    I read somewhere there were 3000 people killed by guns in one of these last few years. Probably 1/10 the amount killed in cars or probably close to the same amount falling unexpectedly.

    A friend of mine used to say you had to sacrifice a few peaches to make a peach cobbler.

    3000 accidental shootings "To Many"; proper education would have helped. Who decides who gets educated?

    The Swiss used to do it right in my personal opinion. Dunno haven't been there in several years.

    Just hear say and innuendo but something I think about when remembering disarmed school teachers shot because they were educated or "pick a reason they were still killed".

    Kinda proud I almost felt a "RANT" coming on but alas, I just someone with an opinion just like anyone else. Right or wrong.
     
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    What we need to understand about the VPC, or whatever they want to call themselves, is they don't care how much guns may reduce crime. They support gun control because they do not believe that it is moral to use deadly force in defense of human life under any circumstance what so ever!!!!

    They believe that it is better to let a criminal murder a child than use deadly force to prevent the murder!!

    That means they don't care about the latest info showing a marked reduction in crime while a significant increase in gun ownership is occurring. To them it is irrelevant!!!
     
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    JellyJar I feel there is much truth in what you say.

    Remember when rape was considered worse than death? Now you hear of people saying don't fight back just relax and try to take mental notes of your attacker!!

    Well if three hairy legged guys break in my house and try to rape me I am going to die fighting. If I have six chambered,,,,,, I may not even have to fight! It's a Personal choice.
     
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    Gun crime statistics have a lot more to do with crime than guns, especially drug and gang crime. A lot of gun statistics look good now because of the very high level of violence associated with the first waves of crack cocaine.

    I don't trust any of the gun statistics very much, but it's clear that more guns in private hands does are not a direct cause of more gun violence.
     
  8. MrOldLude

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    Exactly. Using this data, it's not possible to claim that guns reduce crime. They might, or they just might be neutral. All it tells me is that an increase in legal, documentable gun ownership doesn't cause crime.
     
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