CT shooting sparks four petitions

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How about a petition to allow properly trained volunteer teachers and staff the right to carry on school grounds? Or requirement for armed security when no teachers or staff step forward to receive the training and honor the requirement?

I don't agree with FORCING people to do something. But if they volunteer and are qualified I have no problem with them actually DOING it.
 
^^^^ Yea what Trent said...train our teachers, and administrators that are willing...the whole. "no guns in schools" makes as much sense as :banghead: well...it doesn't make sense...
 
Although the common-sense reaction to these hideous shootings would be to allow those teachers and school staff who are legal CCW holders to carry, that would be rejected out of hand by all of the ruling classes.

I can tell you, from being on the staff of a major metropolitan daily newspaper for over 30 years, that the people who run the newsrooms and entertainment media think that "more guns" is the last thing we need. Deep down, they have an antipathy, bordering on the irrational, towards anybody who likes guns.
 
Comprehensive School Defense

After giving this much thought, I think we need to go beyond hiring a law enforcement official in each school. We need comprehensive school defense strategies in EVERY school.

I think we need to have a trained security official that is responsible for the training of every staff member in that school to create a unified security team. It won't be enough to require staff to attend training off sight. There needs to be a qualified security official that knows each facility and the staff personally and takes responsibility for the ongoing security procedures.

Every single adult working at a school must be expected to have ongoing security training to reinforce and empower the individual’s responsibility to the security of the children. Everybody can do SOMETHING. I don't care if you are a total pacifist... everyone can be trained to a role that will ultimately help mitigate the damage of an attack.

As a country, we are going to have to commit to protecting our kids in school. What we have always known could happen has been born out with a heartbreaking outcome.

We can deny no longer how vulnerable these kids are in the school environment. As a society most people would agree their children are the most precious thing in the world to them. And yet, that same society mandates that for the purpose of education we gather our children together making the most helpless of our society... and the most valued things we have... vulnerable to this kind of evil.

We have to draw a line in the sand against evil.

I have heard intelligent people throw up their hands and say there's nothing you can do to stop evil. WRONG WRONG WRONG There are an infinite number of ways we as individuals can act to stop evil. Can evil be eliminated? Of course not. We are human and therefore imperfect. We can limit the opportunities for evil to strike at us.

Protecting our kids in school begins with each adult in that school taking personal responsibility for a role in the overall commitment to protect our kids. If they are unwilling to make that commitment, find someplace else to work. “Security isn’t my job” will not hack it and cannot be tolerated. If we make the statement as a society that we are going to make every effort to protect our kids and make them as difficult a target as possible… the kind of evil that perpetrates this violence will take note.

This can be done. It isn’t a matter of resources. It is a matter of commitment to the safety of our kid’s schools. If we are committed we will find the ways to fulfill the mission. Organizing this effort should be the Department of Education’s highest priority. Before kids can learn, they have to have the confidence that we are committed to protecting them.

We must do better and quit expecting somebody else to do it for us. This tragedy was not so much the actions of a demented mind, but the failure of us as citizens in this Country to live up to the requirements placed on us to insure, as Lincoln said in the Gettysburg address, “ that government of the people, by the people, for the people, shall not perish from the earth. “

We must take personal responsibility for ourselves and the welfare of our children. In the United States of America… we ARE the government and it’s about time we acknowledge it and begin acting like it.

If you agree with me, please feel free to copy this and post it in other forums, or anywhere else you think people will see it. We the People are the power in this country. As broadcaster Paul Harvey used to remind us “ With great freedoms, comes great responsibilities.”
 
It's not the job of teachers to be armed security as well.

If schools need armed security then there needs to be a security office in every school across the country with highly trained armed security officers.

Simply arming all teachers is unrealistic and would never happen. Too many parents and teachers wouldn't accept the idea. Both my parents are retired teachers and both are anti-gun and I can guarantee they would have quit their jobs or retired early if told they had to carry firearms to work.

People who go into law enforcement, security or military enter that workplace environment fully aware that carrying a firearm is part of the job, whether they like guns or not. Forcing all teachers to start carrying firearms is going to result in a large decline in educators because many current teachers would refuse to do it and quit and many potential teachers would seek other employment options because they wouldn't want to be forced to carry.

There is no solution that will stop school shootings for happening. The only solution that might help to prevent one in the future is to have armed security in every school and for schools to do a better job of keeping the building locked down when classes are in session. It's far too easy for these school shooters to simply walk into a school armed and start killing.
 
I don't think anyone is suggesting that teachers be required to carry arms in school. If there are qualified teachers in a school who would be willing to do so, then that is a better idea. From personal experience as a high school teacher,there are many teachers who have no business carrying a firearm. At the same time, there is only one SRO on our campus and he isn't there all the time. The kids know his car and know when it isn't in the parking lot. Having several administrators or teachers carrying concealed on campus would go a long way in deminishing any shooting situation. Had one person been armed on the Connecticut campus, it is quite possible a lot of those poor kids might still be alive today.

It is time we followed the lead of Israel and take a pro-active approach to these events and tell the nay sayers to go shovel dirt. Our children are precious and need our protection not the dribble of the chicken livered liberals and politicians. We will never be rid of the crazies but there is a lot we can do to stop their madness.
 
On a volunteer basises I and my wife would be willing to stand watch over children I would even pay to be "properly trained" if it ment preventing a tragedy such as this.
 
If "gun free" zones were so safe why would schools be such an easy target? Does anyone else notice a trend? Nobody wants their final blaze of glory to be cut short by an armed citizen. I would take great satisfaction in ending a crazed shooter's killing spree. My XDm is always loaded and ready for the next evil bastard who would harm a child.
 
This is absolutely abominable. I hope any of you who live in and around this tragedy are ok, and I wish you did not have to go through this. Those of you who are able I would request that you reach out to your neighbors and do whatever you can in some attempt to help them through this tragedy. Is there anything we can do here to try to help these poor people?
 
How about a petition for a fed,state,and or local tax refund for a good high quality gun safe.
 
i will not sign this petition, if we try forcing our own laws upon people then we are no better than liberals or socialists, and id rather not go that route

revise it in a way that teachers get the option, that theyre not specifically restricted from carrying guns if they choose and i would sign it... only bills im interested in are the ones that give choice to the american people
 
I am not in any way recommending the solution to be have all Teachers and administrators trained gun toters, I am simply stating that my belief is if it were legal for them to be allowed to it is there choice. It all goes back to the fundamentals of CC, if done properly, no one knows just who is carrying. And given that scenario, as previously stated, who would want to go into a school that is known to be allowed CCW, only to be snuffed out of their "blaze of glory" by the first CCL? I just can't see any normal thinking individual that would think otherwise...but that is the strong pro 2 that I am I guess...

I sat here tonight as I usually do, going to watch Wheel of Fortune, then Jeapordy, with my wife and 8 yr old daughter...Wheel of Fortune wasn't on as there was a "special" on about the CT shooting, I could of changed the channel for cartoons, but I wanted to have my daughter watch it just to see what would come out of her mouth...a lot of unanswered questions, and as innocent as her and my 15 month old daughter are, I just sat there and quietly sobbed for those families...just surreal, not knowing what the future holds for our broken society, and trying to raise kids into this mess...
 
Any sizeable business has some sort of security.

It's unfathomable to think that our schools don't... particularly after decades of school shootings (Texas, Colorado, VT, PA, and now CT...)
 
Direwolf said:
There is another petition that already has 63,000+ signatures.

https://petitions.whitehouse.gov/petition/immediately-address-issue-gun-control-through-introduction-legislation-congress/2tgcXzQC
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i really dont care what the petition listed here is meant to counter... i will never sign a petition that takes away any americans right to choose for themselves... this is no exception.. if you want to counter the petition to address gun control, simply file a petition to counter that one specifically, or come up with a petition that offers choice to teachers
 
TEXAS PENAL CODE

Title 10, OFFENCES AGAINST PUBLIC HEALTH, SAFETY, AND MORALS

Chapter 46, WEAPONS

Sec. 46.03. PLACES WEAPONS PROHIBITED. (a) A person commits an offense if the person intentionally, knowingly, or recklessly possesses or goes with a firearm, illegal knife, club, or prohibited weapon listed in Section 46.05(a): (1) on the physical premises of a school or educational institution, any grounds or building on which an activity sponsored by a school or educational institution is being conducted, or a passenger transportation vehicle of a school or educational institution, whether the school or educational institution is public or private, unless pursuant to written regulations or written authorization of the institution;

States have the authority to do this without federal intervention. Texas already has. At least one school district in Texas allowed its teachers to CC beginning in 2008. Federal involvement is unnecessary and undesirable. Let's leave them out of this.
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Teachers and administrators are not security personnel and asking them to add this to their duties is not reasonable.

Posting trained and equipped LE in schools is a much better alternative. Professional LE who have the sworn duty to keep the peace and protect the public are better equipped from a mindset, skill-set and tool-set standpoint. From sidearms to vests to pepper spray and firearms they're trained with, they have the ability to use professional level equipment and training to buy time for the students and staff.

That said, this is not the best solution.

The young men that have committed these heinous acts were almost to a person deeply disturbed people who had demonstrated symptoms of a mental illness yet they were still in public posing a threat to others.

If we want a viable solution to these catastrophes we need to identify the contributing causes, direct causes and the root causes to prevent having them occur. The root cause is the unmanaged mental health problems of these young men who then acquired firearms and subsequently went on a rampage in a public place.

Arming teachers is not the solution, placing professional LE at the schools doesn't address the root cause. Removing these young men who pose a threat to all of us is.
 
The antis will try to use this as leverage for an AWB for sure. The common factor in all of these shootings is insanity. Yet the antis will say that access to firearms was the root cause.
How does that make you feel? I'm sure muslims feel the same way about the handfull of terrorists who make the whole muslim world look bad when they suicide bomb children. Its really the same attitude to call all muslims terrorists, as it is to call all gun people "crazy". Once again, the common factor with terrorists is insanity.
I sure hope that the relatives of the deceased find some sort of peace in their lives, and that this tragic loss is not exploited for political gain.
 
Teachers and administrators are not security personnel and asking them to add this to their duties is not reasonable.

Posting trained and equipped LE in schools is a much better alternative. Professional LE who have the sworn duty to keep the peace and protect the public are better equipped from a mindset, skill-set and tool-set standpoint. From sidearms to vests to pepper spray and firearms they're trained with, they have the ability to use professional level equipment and training to buy time for the students and staff.

That said, this is not the best solution.

The young men that have committed these heinous acts were almost to a person deeply disturbed people who had demonstrated symptoms of a mental illness yet they were still in public posing a threat to others.

If we want a viable solution to these catastrophes we need to identify the contributing causes, direct causes and the root causes to prevent having them occur. The root cause is the unmanaged mental health problems of these young men who then acquired firearms and subsequently went on a rampage in a public place.

Arming teachers is not the solution, placing professional LE at the schools doesn't address the root cause. Removing these young men who pose a threat to all of us is.
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I couldn't have said it better, this is a mental health issue.
The only other thing that might come of this is a question about the security of legally-held firearms. With firearm ownership comes responsibility and I am interested to know how Lanza got hold of those firearms.
 
IMO, I agree with it being a mental health issue...BUT how many times have we heard (both in major crimes like this as well as lesser ones) that "he just snapped?" Not every would-be psychopath has it written out plain as day.

If a teacher/staffer WANTS to CCW, then I say let them. But it's foolish to just allow that and call it a day for two reasons:
1) Many do NOT want to
2) Even those that do, while they could be effective against an "outside" attack....what if it was a student, one of THEIR students especially, doing the killing? Could they really go through with shooting them? I'm sure that some could, but I've no doubt that many (understandably!) just couldn't pull the trigger in that situation.
 
Change is a good thing or else it just is. Change the job description of teachers to include being trained and carring on the job. Today on another board I read that all Israeli teachers, and staff are armed to protect their children. If it seems to work there why not institute it here?
 
Well, we can talk amongst ourselves about it all we want. But at this point I'm a little worried about the public silence from the firearms community while celebrities and such eager to politicize the issue are getting in the first word. As the good guys in the argument it's all fine and dandy for us to take the moral high ground and say that now is not the time to discuss the political aspects of the situation but the opposition does not care and it appears to me that we're getting left in the dust while they sprint for the finish line. Social media is the future of activism, and I'm seeing very few posts on FB, twitter etc. trying to combat this. If you have a facebook or a twitter I implore you to start bombarding the debate hotspots with information and education. I was up until 1:30 last night doing it and some folks are definitely receptive. We also need to be hitting our favorite gun boards and rallying each other to do the same so that the voice of the firearms community can be heard in the midst of all of this. If we are silent, this situation will certainly be monopolized. We need a modern strategy.
 
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