Curious About Your Colt M27 Argentine Sistema?

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I've posted this on the Experts side, too. It's very hard info to find so if you have an M27,
enjoy & be enlightened!

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I've been searching for info on this for years - with no luck - just found it!

I finally found the date of manufacture of sn: 32376

Opinions on the starting dates for Sistema production are in disagreement. Various internet sources state that the serial numbers of Sistema Colts begin at 10001, picking up from the 10,000 Pistolas Modelos 1927; that from 1927 until 1942, 14,000 Sistema Colts were produced at F.M.A.P. Buenos Aires; that 8,000 were made in the late 1920s, followed by 6,000 in the 1930s and early 1940s; that this would account for the first Sistemas produced at F.M.A.P. Rosario, in 1945, beginning with serial number 24001.

Author Alex Gherovici observed Sistema serial numbers less than 10000 (marked FM – PT and FM – FMMCE, which could have been agencies that preceded the 1941 creation of D.G.F.M.), indicating that numbering was not carried over from Pistola Modelo 1927. Gherovici maintains that suitable production facilities were not available for the production of Sistemas before 1936, when F.M.A.P. Buenos Aires opened. Sistemas marked D.G.F.M. – (F.M.A.P.) couldn’t have been manufactured before 1941, when D.G.F.M was created. During WWII, inadequate raw materials and a U.S. embargo would have made production impossible. At war’s end, additional 1911A1-producing machinery was available from contract suppliers like Remington Rand and Ithaca through the U.S. Government, and through Colt itself, which was refurbishing its plant and transitioning from military to commercial production.

Production could have started as early as 1936, when F.M.A.P. Buenos Aires was opened, until 1942, when the war-related shortage of material occurred and the U.S. embargo went into effect. Twenty-four thousand pistols produced in 6 years isn’t unreasonable. That number matches the average annual production numbers for the “known” years of 1945 to 1966 at Rosario, according to a chart published by an Argentine gun magazine.

Sistema Colt 1927 DGFM(FMAP) FYI
year made - qty made - serial no. range

1945 - 6,000 - #24,001 -#30,000
1946 - 7,628 - #30,001 -#37,628
1947 - 5,000 - #37,629 -#42,628
1948 - 7,000 - #42,629 -#49,628
1949 - 5,000 - #49,629 -#54,628
1950 - 8,000 - #54,629 -#62,628
1951 - 8,011 - #62,629 -#70,639
1952 - 7,016 - #70,640 -#77,655
1953 - 2,500 - #77,656 -#80,155
1954 - 5,000 - #80,156 -#85,155
1955 - 2,500 - #85,156 -#87,655
1956 - 2,500 - #87,656 -#90,155
1957 - 5,626 - #90,156 -#95,781
1958 - 5,547 - #95,782-#101,328
1959 - 5,000 - #101,329-#106,328
1960 - 2,066 - #106,329-#108,394
1961 - 1,000 - #108,395-#109,394
1962 - 0
1963 - 600 - #109,395 -#109,994
1964 - 750 - #109,995 - #110,744
1965 - 1,250 - #110,745-#111,994
1966 - 500 - #111,995 - #112,494
 
ZipperZap, interesting article...Are you saying that 1946 might not be the date of mfgr. on your numbered pistol?
Alex Gherovici is known to some of us and his data has been quoted alot, especially on the 1911 Foreign Contract threads...
Anyway, I liked your article and anything that is written about the Sistema's perk my ears....:p
P.S. I own two and are always on the lookout for more, cheap of course...:evil:
 
LOL ... the 'cheap' ones are gone forever.

I used to have a number of them. I wish I had kept them.

I'm not sure about the 1946 question - there has been some debate, I guess.
I'll continue to assume it is the case that it IS the correct date until I am toldfor certain it is not.

As a Colt contract gun Argentina had to maintain the high standards that Colt had (has) always maintained. I understand that Colt watched and monitored every phase of their construction and the quality of the steel used to make them.

They were made for the Argentine Army, Navy, Air Force and National Police agencies. At one time I had at least one of each ... wish I still did!

... I never thought they'd ever increase in value, as they most certainly did!
 
Interesting stuff! I recently acquired a non re-arsenaled all matching (mag too) Sistema marked "P.N.M." and have been wondering about its origins.

The research I've done leads me to believe it was police (Policia Nacional ?) issue but I'd really be interested in knowing for sure.

Anyone?
 
Not sure about the PNM marking, but the matching/numbered mags are extremely difficult to come by....Some say you can add additional ($50) for that item...
I usually spend time looking through mags at gun shows hoping to find my elusive matching mags....No luck after 3 years.....Oh well, something to do...
 
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