Custom Jacketed Bullets?

[Vodoun da Vinci]

I have been looking and looking for a jacketed .32 ACP bullet that is specific. I want a 75 grain bullet .311 diameter that is FMJFN. Flat truncated cone.

I can find jacketed hollow points but it's not what I want. Been loading/shooting some lead flat points from Rim Rock in .313 that are the cats meow but I really want FMJ or could live with a half jacket.

Are there/is there such a thing as a custom bullet maker who might take a commission to make a run of these? Or would it likely be so expensive that I should try and swage my own?

Thanks in advance for any help you can offer!

VooDoo

 

[gamestalker]

I thought I read that Corbin will make bullets for you? Check out there web site.

GS

 

[Vodoun da Vinci]

Checked the website and didn't find where I can order from Corbin *but* there is a list of custom makers that I'm combing thru and I sent them an Email.

Thanks for the tip, Gamestalker!!

VooDoo

 

[gamestalker]

Right back at ya!

What would be cool is to get several reloaders to pitch in and get set up with Corbin's bullet making tools. Imagine how awesome it would be to make your own jacketed stuff, according to what you want.

They have a rebated boat tail die system for high powered rifle too. Supposed to be some good stuff from what I've heard.

GS

 

[Vodoun da Vinci]

I looked thru the list of custom makers - most of the guys make specific calibers which is not surprising since in doing a little research I find the tooling is expensive. I'm not finding many who offer .312 diameter jacketed in something like 75 -85 grains which, again, is not surprising.

I'm researching rolling my own but the cost seems a little prohibitive. Then again, if I start making my own bullets for .357, 9mm, .32 ACP, and .45 it might be cost effective.

VooDoo

 

[Vodoun da Vinci]

Here's another question that I'm pretty sure will work for me but I wanna run it past you guys...

What if I buy hollow points (Hornady) and soft solder up the hollow? Effectively making an exposed lead, jacketed flat point if I dress the soldered tip down flat and square.

Would that effectively defeat expansion? I'm thinking if I add extra lead/tin to the hollow of a 60 grain it will end up weighing closer to 70 grains and be close.

Opinions? I can't see anything inherently dangerous in doing this as long as I adjust for powder charge, etc.

VooDoo

 

[Vodoun da Vinci]

Corbin apparently does not make bullets but I'm getting real interested in making my own....here is Dave Corbin's response.

"Thanks for your interest. We do not manufacture bullets, but can make tools so that you can make anything you wish.

The flat tip full metal jacket bullet you want to make is easily done with a core swage and a special point forming die.

We have built a large number of similar .311 sets over the past 40 years. You can make the weight whatever you desire.

You would need:

CSP-1 s-press

CSW-1-S core swage .250 diameter

PF-1-SC 311 flat tip FMJ point form die

PUNCH-S base turning external punch

PUNCH-S core seating external punch

CSL-2 swage lube

J-38-442 or -437 jackets pk/500

JRD-1-S 311 jacket draw die (turns 38 into 311)

ET-2-S 311 jacket trim die

LW-10 lead wire .247 diameter

PCS-1 .247 lead wire cutter

All prices and details can be see on www.SwageDies.com webstore, with more information on operation at www.Corbins.com."

 

[StrawHat]

If all you are wanting is a non expanding with a flat truncated cone, why not considering ordering a custom mold and casting them? Here is a similar mold but Ranch Dog has closed it's doors.

http://www.ranchdogoutdoors.com/

That said, a custom mold maker can produce something similar.

 

[Vodoun da Vinci]

I have been loading and shooting 75 grain hard cast RNFP from Rim Rock and they are awesome. Testing of .32 ACP loads with this bullet profile has been very promising to me. I wanted to try testing an FMJ version of the same profile as I believe there will be even less bullet deformation, better wound tracking, a wider wound channel, and deeper penetration with the FMJ over the cast lead. I'm not a believer in hollow points for .32 ACP and the round nose FMJ bullets offered penetrate deeply but seem to slide right thru gelatin and tissue...some actually heal themselves as the channel closes in behind the round nose as it kind of parts the gelatin.

There are several cast lead bullets available that fit the need for me to try so casting my own is not necessary.

Probably be a lot cheaper than trying to roll my own FMJFP though.

For now, I think I'm gonna buy some Hornady jacketed HP and soft solder the nose shut and dress it into an exposed lead jacketed flat point and shoot a mess of them and see how that works. I really like flat nosed hard ball as it hits hard yet penetrates deeply...almost like shooting wad cutters but with enough of a ramp to feed better in autoloaders.

VooDoo

 

[Potatohead]

Keep us posted. Sounds like an interesting project you got goin on there. Why the love affair with the .32, out of curiosity? I've never had or shot one is why I ask.

 

[Vodoun da Vinci]

That, Sir, is a *very* long and winding story that I will spare you.

Some time ago I managed to fall in with a couple of ER Doctors who also trained in some of the same martial arts that I studied and taught...we also had other similar interests including knives, swords, and hand gunning. One of them carried/carries a Walther PP in .32 and after a seminar we all went shooting. he was quite adept and very interesting being as he has seen more gunshot wounds than a lot of us and works with people who cumulatively have seen and treated a lot of gunshot wounds.

He and his "style" and skill, his opinions and observations impressed me mightily.

A couple years ago I inherited a Colt 1903 in .32 ACP made in 1918 and fell in love with it and, to some degree, the history of the .32 ACP and the various pistols that chamber this round. Bought another 1903 for my Wife and started hand loading to recreate some of the rounds my mentor and I discussed.

Now it is an obsession and after almost 40 years of not handloading I am obsessed about hand loading and shooting sports again, blew off the dust on the old RCBS JR2 and bought dies.

Now I'm back to hand gunning and shooting about 400 rounds a week with my Wife and Gun Buddies and it's all started with a love affair with the .32 ACP.

Short story version...

VooDoo

 

[StrawHat]

If you want to try cast bullets of varying hardnesses, see if you can get the caster to vary his alloy. I quit using jacketed bullets decades ago because I was able to accomplish more with a properly cast bullet.

 

[Vodoun da Vinci]

I like cast bullets in .312 and .313 very much. I'm gonna try some 94 gr. Meister flat noses over the winter and Missouri Bullet Company makes a yummy 78 grain cast flat nose at Brinell 12 in a .313 that fits the test criteria as well. I have ordered a box of 85 gr Hornady .312 XTP jacketed hollow points and I'll be modifying those by dressing the tips down to eliminate the pre cut jacket section and filling the hollow with solder to prevent any expansion.

The goal is to produce a 200 FPE .32 ACP load pushing a 75 - 95 grain flat nose (Cast or jacketed - so far I have only been working with 75 grain hard cast) at between 975 to 1097 FPS safely and without exceeding pressure limits. Why? Because I think I can....

So, I have a lot of ideas and loads to test. Just got my .313 expander insert this week from CH4D and I'd be loading but I have a range session this morning and only enough Unique left to load 20 more rounds. :banghead: So, I'm out of powder and out of time this week also. Gotta get a chronograph as well as the borrowed one is no longer available.

Everything comes to a screeching halt until I find more powder and *that* is proving to be a bit difficult.

VooDoo

 

[Potatohead]

That, Sir, is a *very* long and winding story that I will spare you.

Some time ago I managed to fall in with a couple of ER Doctors who also trained in some of the same martial arts that I studied and taught...we also had other similar interests including knives, swords, and hand gunning. One of them carried/carries a Walther PP in .32 and after a seminar we all went shooting. he was quite adept and very interesting being as he has seen more gunshot wounds than a lot of us and works with people who cumulatively have seen and treated a lot of gunshot wounds.

He and his "style" and skill, his opinions and observations impressed me mightily.

A couple years ago I inherited a Colt 1903 in .32 ACP made in 1918 and fell in love with it and, to some degree, the history of the .32 ACP and the various pistols that chamber this round. Bought another 1903 for my Wife and started hand loading to recreate some of the rounds my mentor and I discussed.

Now it is an obsession and after almost 40 years of not handloading I am obsessed about hand loading and shooting sports again, blew off the dust on the old RCBS JR2 and bought dies.

Now I'm back to hand gunning and shooting about 400 rounds a week with my Wife and Gun Buddies and it's all started with a love affair with the .32 ACP.

Short story version...

VooDoo

Great...good luck

 

[Potatohead]

Powder is around. Check out BDS's thread, "Where are their reloading components for sale" every day. I also check 3rd Gen and Powder Valley every day just for kicks and one of them will usually have something of use. Of course I'm doing 9mm so I'm not real sure what you are looking for. One of them had Auto Comp last night.

 

[Vodoun da Vinci]

Unique is my poison for everything I have loaded so far. That would be *lots* of .38 Special/.357 and a few .32 ACP. Eventually I'll be loading 9mm, .45 as well and I'll probably start with Unique in those as well.

I check all the places, every day. I saw 1 pounders at Recob yesterday but they are gone now. Spotted an 8 pounder at the gun show last night but at like $138 I had to pass...and regretted it. :banghead:

Stupid VooDoo - Stupid VooDoo.

Saving $ for a Glock 26. So, I have to prioritize until I sell a couple of items to raise a little hobby cash.

Anyway..

VooDoo

 

[Potatohead]

No doubt.