Cylinder stop marks on the cylinder

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Most of my DA revolvers has it, but my Ruger single six don't (well, at least it barely shows). Why can't manufacturers make it all like the single six?
Is there a modification that can be done to avoid getting those anoying (at least to me) marks?
 
Unless there was a mechanism to ''lift'' the cylinder latch bolt between stations .. this almost has to happen!!!

Live with it ... in the knowledge that every revo out there will - to varying degree and if used ..... show just that.

Goes with the territory!:p
 
I had a 3rd Generation Colt SAA Sheriffs Model in .44Special/.44-40 that never developed a drag line. The locking bolt withdrew before the cylinder started to turn and didn't drop until the leade for the notch was in place.

That was the only revolver I ever had that was that way, the other 50+ all developed drag lines.
 
I'm not familiar with the workings of DA revolvers, but I have made the necessary modifications to 2 Ruger Vaqueros to properly time the cylinder lock so that the bolt drops into the ramp instead of onto the cylinder, which eliminates the potential for those unsightly drag marks on the cylinder.

There are some things I just can't live with, and drag marks caused by improper timing (Yes, Ruger is guilty here) is one of them. It's a little bit of work, but worth the effort.

Regards,

Dave

Edit: I have seen (and owned) MANY properly timed SA revolvers. Often it is something you either have to do yourself, or have done. Several of the new SA manufacturers do excellent jobs of timing from the factory.
 
There is an important reason for those drag marks. When a revolver is fired rapidly as in fast double-action shooting or speed-cocking a single-action the force of the hand hitting the ratchet may cause the cylinder to advance in front of it. This can cause the next cylinder stop notch to advance past the cylinder stop before the stop is released to catch it. With the early release of the stop (which ultimately makes the drag marks) it acts as a brake on the spinning cylinder and insures that the cylinder stop will indeed catch the notch and properly lock the cylinder so the chamber is in line with the bore.

Some revolvers (Single Action Colts being an example) are timed for a late bolt release because they are usually sold to collectors who “baby†them. Those who do use them in circumstance that involve speed-cocking usually have them modified so there is an earlier cylinder bolt release. (Colt calls this part a “cylinder bolt†rather then a “cylinder stopâ€).

You can also get a drag mark on a cylinder if you close it (on a double-action revolver) or lower the hammer or close the gate (on a single-action model) while the cylinder is located between chambers and then rotate it to a locked position while the cylinder stop/bolt rubs against it.

Generally speaking, it is not advisable to alter the timing for a late cylinder stop release unless the revolver will only be cocked or double-actioned in a very gentle manner, and it should never be done on a gun that might be used as a defensive weapon. What those drag lines really show is that the owner has used the gun enough so that he or she is probably pretty good when it comes to using it.
 
Every revolver I have or ever had has a FINE line inscribed around the cylinder. (If it didn't when I got it, it did shortly thereafter!) It should not, however, appear to be ragged, gouged or crooked at any point. I once had a Colt Agent that, due to being out of time and having excessive cylinder end play, was all three!
 
The cylinder drag line depends on the manufacturer and model of the gun. Many single actions, when properly timed, will not drop the bolt until it is in the ramp leading to the stop notch. The Colt Python is the same way. Most other double action revolvers, including Colt's later designs, drop the bolt long before the ramp is near the bolt.
 
I will disagree that the cylinder latch acts as a brake for the cylinder. There is very little friction between that small point of contact and the cylinder, at least until it actually wears a groove in your cylinder. A more effective brake for the cylinder is a greased (instead of oiled) basepin. If, when cocked rapidly the cylinder latch skips the ramp/notch, then that is an indication of a weak latch spring, or other problems.

There is no reason for the drag mark other than poor timing, and I would also not advise making the timing adjustment unless you, or someone you know knows absolutely what is required and is properly equipped to do the procedure. In fact, there is at least one aftermarket manufacturer of parts to help remedy the built in timing problem on New Model Ruger single actions, and these are the same parts they use in competition tuning of revolvers.

On my Vaqueros, I did the modification of lengthening the back ramps on the cylinder latches by adding additional metal and then carefully filing the back ramp for proper timing and height, so the plunger in the hammer does not catch on firing. I also have a New Model SBH that has had a slightly different mod done, but to the same end. The Vaqueros are stainless, but they still got the drag marks, and I didn't like it, so I fixed them.

If you don't like the drag marks, the fixes are out there, and they are out there because someone other than yourself was disgusted by a marred cylinder.
 
I have owned several Pythons, including old Custom Shop Pythons, and every one has released the bolt partway through the cylinder's rotation. I had one made around 1985 that I returned (twice) for timing problems -- that one released the bolt almost as soon as the cylinder began to rotate, but every other has released the bolt well ahead of the cutout that leads the recess in the cylinder. If it didn't, I'm not sure it would function rapid fire.
 
On Smith & Wessons, live with it. It is intentional and designed that way. The cylinder stop spring is not heavy enough to cause any gouging of the metal, just removal of the blue.

On Colt SAA's and clones, the gun should be timed so the cylinder bolt drops into the leade, as well as having the bolt spring reduced to prevent gouging of the metal. This is one part of a "tuneup" job on an SAA type. The gun should also be timed so the hammer hits the backstrap just as the bolt clicks into place in the cylinder notch. This prevents the hand from trying to force the cylinder past the stop, which can put undue wear on the hand, the stop and the frame.

On Colt DA revolvers (old style), the bolt should drop into the leade, but there is not too much can be done to reduce its spring tension and still allow it to work.

Jim
 
Thanks for all the input guys! It's really not that big of a deal, I just thought something can be done to avoid it, without causing much trouble.
 
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