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Cylinder won't open, HELP!

Discussion in 'Handguns: Revolvers' started by Bo, Jul 10, 2008.

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  1. Bo

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    I took my newly acquired S&W 19-3 out for a test run this morning. It was shooting great at about 10 yds. sometimes hitting the same hole. After about 50 rds., I pushed on the cylinder latch and the cylinder wouldn't open. I can pull the hammer half back and the cylinder will spin freely but, when I try to open it, it only moves about an 1/8". Help! What's wrong? I've got 6 spent shells in the cylinder and can't get it open. I don't want to force anything. Anyone have any ideas?
     
  2. rcmodel

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    Extractor rod is coming unscrewed.

    Pull the hammer back to where the cylinder will turn, then turn it backward while trying to hold pressure against the side of the ejector rod.

    What you need to do is screw it back in far enough to allow the cylinder latch to push the locking pins in all the way.

    Once you get it open, you need to Blue LockTight the ejector rod back in the cylinder assembly. Then tighten with a pair of pliers while useing a strip of leather to protect the rod from the pliers.

    rcmodel
     
  3. xring44

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    Extractor rod is coming unscrewed.

    Pull the hammer back to where the cylinder will turn, then turn it backward while trying to hold pressure against the side of the ejector rod.

    What you need to do is screw it back in far enough to allow the cylinder latch to push the locking pins in all the way.

    Once you get it open, you need to Blue LockTight the ejector rod back in the cylinder assembly. Then tighten with a pair of pliers while useing a strip of leather to protect the rod from the pliers.

    rcmodel

    Yep, I agree with rcmodel
     
  4. Phil DeGraves

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    I believe that is a reverse thread on the extractor rod.
     
  5. MedWheeler

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    Yes, it is, Phil.. same thing on my Taurus 66.. throws me off.
     
  6. Bo

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    The ejector rod is shrouded on a m-19 and the cylinder won't turn backwards. Now what?
     
  7. OFT

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    The rod has a left handed thread. You need to turn the cylinder the same direction as it would turn when firing it. While doing this apply pressure on the side of the rod, keeping it from turning. This will allow the cylinder to screw onto the rod.
     
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    You said:
    Do that and hold the rod from turning.

    It's a left-hand thread on your gun.

    rcmodel
     
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    The solution to what ails you:

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    If the above does not work take a small screwdriver and push between the end of the extractor rod and the beveled lock pin while pushing the cylinder latch and cylinder out.
     
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    And if you ever let that happen again, I promise you'll be real sorry.
    Cordially, Jack
     
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    You can also slide a business card behind the ejector rod, inside the shroud, and screw the rod back in by pulling the card slowly out while you hold it from both sides to get more friction.
     
  13. Bo

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    Yes it was the ejector rod. Followed your instructions and it worked. Wrapped a rag around the end of the rod and tighten it with a pair of pliers. From the looks of the end of the rod, I'd say this has happened before. Is this a common problem with 19-3's? If it happens again, should I contact S&W? Thanks for all your help.
     
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    I'm not so sure it's an issue with 19-3s so much as it's an issue with S&Ws generally. My very first S&W did that 5 minutes after I got it home.

    Fortunately, I have a good supply of blue thread locking compound left over from another hobby. Grab some Loctite 242 or similar, apply sparingly and relax. I wouldn't bother to call S&W - I'd suspect they're aware of the issue.

    I would stay well clear of red loctite. Note, however, that blue loctite generally comes in a red container. I put this down to basic cussedness on the part of the supplier.
     
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    I've had this happen at some point on every DA revolver I've ever owned until I wised up and checked before and after every range session to make sure the extractor rod was screwed in tight. Make it a habit.
     
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    Glad to hear you got it.
     
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    Anyone who owns motorcycles has blue loctite in the shop. :D
     
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    Please read post #2 again carefully.

    You cannot properly tighten it with pliers tight enough to keep it tight. And it IS going to come loose again unless you BLUE LockTight it.

    rcmodel
     
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    Careful - don't shear the aligning pins

    Before applying any significant torque to tighten (or loosen) the ejector rod make sure that you insert three empty cases into alternating chambers of the cylinder to absorb the force. The ejector rod screws into the extractor (star). There are 2 very small alignment pins that are designed to keep the extractor lined up with the various chambers. If you apply excessive torque to the ejector rod without having empties in the chambers you can bend or shear the alignment pins.
     
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    Had the exact same problem with the exact same gun, my 19-3.

    Came here and got the same advice. Made a lot of sense but with a piece of leather and pliers I could not screw the ejector rod in or out.

    Took it to a smith. Paid him ~$60 to fix it. He said he actually had to send away for some parts. I have no idea which ones. Anyway, ~75 rounds later, mixed .38 and .357, exact same problem.

    I just got fed up. I cleaned her up and stuck her in my box o' gun stuff. She looks gorgeous, I won't get rid of her, but she's cottenballed for now.
     
  21. TOGGLELOCK

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    When (and if) you get your cylinder open. You better watch how you screw your ejector rod tight. You'll need an extractor support tool, orange dummy rounds or empties left in the cylinder as extractor support. Cause if you got an old cylinder with pins under the extractor star, you'll bend your pins without the support tool, orange inert dummy or empty casings. Keeps the extractor star from shifting during tightning. TOGGLELOCK
     
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    If you own a S&W you should have a ejector rod tool. It clamps on the rod and allows you to tighten to the the proper torque.

    Good advice!
     
  23. Bo

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    So if I unscrew the ejector rod to put Loctite on it, are pieces going to fall out? Or is it as simple as unscrewing applying Loctite and screwing it back in?
     
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    No, we had been talking about older cylinders with pins under the star. Don't bend those small pins. When in doubt, get someone with knowledge to tighten your ejector rod. TOGGLELOCK
     
  25. rcmodel

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    If he had de-greased the threads on the rod & cylinder, and applied Blue LockTight, then tightened it properly, it would not have come loose again.

    If I had paid him 60 bucks, I'd be back rattling his cage.

    rcmodel
     
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