CZ-75b vs. CZ-75 SA

[StorkPatrol]

I think I want a 9mm CZ-75 to compliment my .40S&W CZ-75b. As far as I can tell the differences here include...
-obviously the SA is SA only.
-The SA has a slightly higher beaver tail, which I like.
-The SA has the full contour slide up front like the .40.
-The thumb safety is a little bigger.
Am I missing anything? I've heard mixed reviews on the trigger of the SA verses the single action trigger pull of the regular 75b. Is the SA's trigger actually nicer? Why does the SA have the beefier slide? What am I really gaining if I go with the SA over the 75b?

I carry my CZ-75b .40S&W condition one and rarely use the DA trigger. I'm thinking of getting the 9mm for it's lower recoil and higher capacity as I get back into competition after a few years away from it. Also, the great ergos and low recoil of a full size 9mm would be great for introducing new shooters. The training with a full size 9mm would translate 99% to my .40S&W at lower cost per round. One the 9mm is proven reliable, I will probably carry it, just 'cause I can.

So I know this forum is overflowing with CZ love. Please share your thoughts. --Stork

 

[Full Metal Jacket]

i have both the CZ75 9mm & the CZ75B 40cal. both are fantastic, and dead reliable.

my CZ75B is the most accurate, and least recoiling 40cal i have fired.

 

[JDGray]

You pretty much found all the differences. I never shoot from DA on a CZ, and recently picked up a SA model. I like it so much that I traded my 75B off for something different. The CZ custom Flat trigger is next for mine, that will shorten the reach a bit more, and adjust the takeup out of the trigger. I suspect the slide is beefier for more forward weight, recoil control, it is listed as a competition pistol on CZ site.

 

[railroader]

I had the 75b DA/SA and I still have the 75 SA. The things you left out are the SA has an extended mag release and the mags drop free. Also the SA trigger pull isn't any better than the DA/SA model stock. I changed out the trigger on my SA for the new straight adjustable trigger. It now has very little take up and overtravel. I also took out the hammer and polished the hooks with 2000 grit sandpaper. The trigger is pretty darn good now. Mark

 

[StorkPatrol]

So stock vs. stock, there is no advantage in the single action trigger pull? That is the main advantage I was hoping to gain from going to the SA. I do appreciate the higher beaver tail and added forward weight, but it sucks to try to find holsters for the full contour slide models. For my CZ-75b .40S&W I use a Galco IWB that is supposed to be for a Sig 226. --Stork

 

[ranburr]

I converted my pre-B DA CZs to SAO.

 

[railroader]

So stock vs. stock, there is no advantage in the single action trigger pull? That is the main advantage I was hoping to gain from going to the SA. I do appreciate the higher beaver tail and added forward weight, but it sucks to try to find holsters for the full contour slide models. For my CZ-75b .40S&W I use a Galco IWB that is supposed to be for a Sig 226. --Stork

Actually the 75b I use to own had the better trigger of it and my sa cz. The trigger on the standard B had had less take up and it had a smoother pull. The gun was made in 1996 so maybe that had something to do with it. That said I really like the features better on the sa model but I had to work on the trigger a little. Since you were also talking about competition the extended mag release and the paddle safeties are a big plus. Mark

 

[Philo_Beddoe]

I think I want a 9mm CZ-75 to compliment my .40S&W CZ-75b. As far as I can tell the differences here include...
-obviously the SA is SA only.
-The SA has a slightly higher beaver tail, which I like.
-The SA has the full contour slide up front like the .40.
-The thumb safety is a little bigger.
Am I missing anything? I've heard mixed reviews on the trigger of the SA verses the single action trigger pull of the regular 75b. Is the SA's trigger actually nicer? Why does the SA have the beefier slide? What am I really gaining if I go with the SA over the 75b?

I carry my CZ-75b .40S&W condition one and rarely use the DA trigger. I'm thinking of getting the 9mm for it's lower recoil and higher capacity as I get back into competition after a few years away from it. Also, the great ergos and low recoil of a full size 9mm would be great for introducing new shooters. The training with a full size 9mm would translate 99% to my .40S&W at lower cost per round. One the 9mm is proven reliable, I will probably carry it, just 'cause I can.

So I know this forum is overflowing with CZ love. Please share your thoughts. --Stork

I have both and SA 75b and a 75B

-The SA has as drop free mag break the 75b does not. But this is a $15 fix.

-The SA safety is ambi

-The SA is intended as a competition gun which why its heavier to absorb recoil and reduce muzzle flip.

-The SA trigger is better

-Competition? Check the rules first, 9mm takes a points penalty is all USPSA divisions, except production, unless u hot load the crap out of it, something the SA will not take. The production division only allows double action or safe action triggers. If you shoot IPDA the SA would work in enhanced service pistol, the 75b in both stock and enhanced divisions.

To the point, if you plan on carrying it get the DA version, if its strickly a range gun, get the SA.

 

[StorkPatrol]

Philo Beddoe, thanks for your input. Honestly, when I do matches I'm not so much concerned with points and divisions as I am about practicing skills and learning new things about shooting under pressure. I'm also thinking that when I take a 2 day 1500 round class this summer it would be easier on my wallet and on my hands if I ran a 9mm instead of my .40S&W. Like I said in my original post, I will end up carrying it at least once in a while if it proves reliable...which I bet it will! --Stork

 

[chris in va]

The SA has as drop free mag break the 75b does not. But this is a $15 fix.
/QUOTE]

Actually, it's a $0 fix. Flat blade screwdriver, mash out the ridge in the mag brake. Done.

 

[Oldnoob]

I search for a while before I made up my mind. It was between B, SP-01, B SA. I tried all and this is what I get.





The the end, the trigger was what made the decision for me. I don't mind the beaver tail either or, can't tell the different between B and SA's slide weight different. SP-01 was just non-necessarily heavy.

 

[railroader]

StorkPatrol, since you are interested in a single action CZ type pistol you might like the witness match. They are SAO and I have read good things about them including having a decent trigger. The price is right there with the 75sa too. Mark

 

[ckone]

+1 to the Witness Elite Match like Railroder said...

It has the trigger, period. Pre and over-travel adjustable from the box and maybe the best trigger you can get south of $1500.00, really. They're cz's that have been simplified in their internal clockwork to a point where some consider them better than the original.
These are custom shop fitted guns for $500.
They're larger frame but will still feel right to someone familiar with CZ's, and while the smaller calibers like 9mm always were victims of crappy magazines in the larger frames until just recently... new mags are available with the spacers in the back of them ala pricey STI/SVI guns that are 100%, seriously the best gun for the money (by a wide margin) available IMO...

You'd be making a mistake if you didn't at least look into them...

 

[3leggeddog]

Can you post a picture of the Witness E.M. barrel by its self? I trying to fine out if the barrel is the SAME as the CZ. The CZ has 2 locator's on the barrel!

 

[briang2ad]

I own NO Witnesses, but from what I have seen at Gun Shows, etc., what you WILL get from a Witness is a BETTER price, and a much better trigger. That is from a CZ guy...

I can tell you that even in SA, the CZ trigger comes pretty gritty OTB.

I DO like the looks of the SA a bit more. But, it is nice to have the DA feature IF you may want it.

 

[Full Metal Jacket]

I own NO Witnesses, but from what I have seen at Gun Shows, etc., what you WILL get from a Witness is a BETTER price, and a much better trigger. That is from a CZ guy...

 

[Philo_Beddoe]

I own NO Witnesses, but from what I have seen at Gun Shows, etc., what you WILL get from a Witness is a BETTER price, and a much better trigger.

And much worse customer support from EAA.

The CZ USA and the CZ custom shop have great customer service.

Tanfoglio's are great pistols, to bad EAA is the importer.

 

[JDGray]

A Buddy picked up an EEA Witness 45 ACP, the trigger was different, maybe not as gritty, but not better then any of my CZs. They still have plenty of take up, over travel, to deal with. All my CZ hammers get some attention, hook angle adjustment

 

[Philo_Beddoe]

Some stock CZ triggers could use some work.

But its nothing that can not be fixed.

The CZ custom shop does excellent work.

The Shadow and Tactical sport models come from the factory with excellent triggers.

You can get an almost high end 1911 trigger quality from the custom shop if you get the custom hammer installed, the adjustable trigger, and have the FPB removed on any non omega trigger CZ.

 

[StorkPatrol]

On the EAA Witness Match, I've read more than one good review of the gun. If I recall correctly, the latest edition of Gun Digest's book of Combat Handgunery by Massad Ayoob had a chapter about new guns. I think he spoke very favorably about the Witness Match. I will have to take a closer look at that one. However, to be honest I've always been a little put off by EAA's guns'n'poon style of advertising. Combine that with a litany of forum complaints about their service, and I've just never looked too hard at their products.

Philo, allow me to open another can of worms. What's the skinny on the new Omega triggers? Better? Worse? Or just different?
--Stork

 

[Philo_Beddoe]

Philo, allow me to open another can of worms. What's the skinny on the new Omega triggers? Better? Worse? Or just different?
--Stork

The Omega is a much simpler mechanism, the double action is heavier, but single action is lighter, pretty much a wash imo.

However the omega allows one to switch back and forth between a decocker and safety. I would not be suprised if CZ doesnt eventually got to the omega exclusively.

As of now the Omega will not work with the Kadet but its said one is in the works.