Hey all, I'm a bit bored today so I'm thinking I'll go buy something. I've long wanted a nice single action 9mm which in my mind means CZ or BHP. What I'm really wondering is how does the SA trigger compare to the regular 75B? I already have a P-01 and SP-01 and the trigger on those are a bit meh compared to the 75B's that I've shot. How does the SA compare?
CZ 75B or CZ 75B SA?
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Trunk Monkey
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Get the B
That way you have both the SA trigger and a TDA
That way you have both the SA trigger and a TDA
Furncliff
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My cz75b is a range gun. Ive owned it for about ten years. I had Cajun Gun Works do a trigger job on mine, before that the trigger was ok but not great. I have never handled the SA model but if you are planning to use it to shoot targets, thats the way I would go.
http://cajungunworks.com/
http://cajungunworks.com/
Walt Sherrill
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JDGray said:
NO different.
Internally, except for the disconnector (which is absent in the SA guns) the parts are identical in both the SA and SA.DA guns. SA guns have a different (two-way adjustable) trigger that can be adjusted so that take-up and over-travel are reduced to a minimum.
Some folks remove the firing pin block on their guns, but other adjustments (not something I can address) need to be made to keep timing correct. The firing pin block itself can be polished to make it a near non-issue and that extra almost-trivial bit of friction reduction improves the trigger pull.
The SA flat/straight trigger is a big improvement but it can't be used in a DA/SA gun that retain the DA capability.
There are now Omega system guns, which have better factory triggers out of the box, and the new tier Tactical Sport (which was designed for IPSC competition; it's the same basic design, but much more attention is paid to tuning during production.)
Cajun Gun Works and the CZ Custom Shop have parts that can be used to improve the triggers and shorten trigger reach.
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Otto
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Get the SAO. Install a CZ competition hammer and the single action trigger with both pre and over-travel adjustments. Add a 13lb. hammer spring and you'll have a trigger pull that's very nice...around 3 pounds.
Or just send it to David at CGW.
The point is, every CZ I've ever bought or handled had a mediocre trigger and needed tuning.
Why isn't this done at the factory?
Because trigger jobs are CZ Custom's bread and butter.
Or just send it to David at CGW.
The point is, every CZ I've ever bought or handled had a mediocre trigger and needed tuning.
Why isn't this done at the factory?
Because trigger jobs are CZ Custom's bread and butter.
bainter1212
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I sold my B after I bought my SA. The SA is an ergonomic step up IMO.
Exactly. But triggers do get better with use.
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I kind of disagree, but only kind of
. Your right part wise that there isn't any difference in the DA/SA vs the SAO minus the disco but there is a big difference in fell of the trigger pull in the SA on both the gun and here is why.Most people lower the hammer spring on the DA/SA pistol to get a nicer DA pull but the lower you go the mussier the SA pull gets. Now with the SAO pistol you can remove the firing pin block and a do a few other upgrades and get a "Crisp" under 2lb trigger pull running a 20lb hammer spring which I don't believe could even be done on the DA/SA one reason being the TRS is tweaked to barely move where the DA needs a long stroke and running a 20lb hammer yields a heavy DA pull.
Walt Sherrill
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As others have noted, the Competition hammer is a good way to improve the trigger. That's the same as reworking the hammer-sear interface, and much easier--and it's a drop-in part. I should have mentioned it in my earlier response.
I had a well-tuned SA some years back, and it had the stock hammer, but the gunsmith who did the work before I got it reworked the hammer/sear angles. It was very nice. He also polished the little firing pin black cylinder that engages the firing pin, and smoothed out related connections. You were hard-pressed to even know the FPB was still in the gun. (I had [have] and 85 Combat, and it was easy to compare them.)
Out of the box, most CZ triggers aren't as good as they could be -- and as said by others -- I don't know why they don't just get them better from the factory. (Tanfoglio does.) After a lot of dry-firing or some work, they can be quite good. Maybe it's as simple as a slight modification to the hammer design (ala the Competition hammer.)
The work mentioned (excluding the Competition Hammer) doesn't always get rid of the hammer "camming" (the hammer moving to the rear when starting from SA cocked before dropping) when firing SA. I think David MIlam, at CGW, offers an adjustable sear and a short-reset trigger kit that doesn't come from CZ.
I had a well-tuned SA some years back, and it had the stock hammer, but the gunsmith who did the work before I got it reworked the hammer/sear angles. It was very nice. He also polished the little firing pin black cylinder that engages the firing pin, and smoothed out related connections. You were hard-pressed to even know the FPB was still in the gun. (I had [have] and 85 Combat, and it was easy to compare them.)
Out of the box, most CZ triggers aren't as good as they could be -- and as said by others -- I don't know why they don't just get them better from the factory. (Tanfoglio does.) After a lot of dry-firing or some work, they can be quite good. Maybe it's as simple as a slight modification to the hammer design (ala the Competition hammer.)
The work mentioned (excluding the Competition Hammer) doesn't always get rid of the hammer "camming" (the hammer moving to the rear when starting from SA cocked before dropping) when firing SA. I think David MIlam, at CGW, offers an adjustable sear and a short-reset trigger kit that doesn't come from CZ.
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Otto
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Where do you think CZ Custom buys all their triggers, hammers, springs etc. from? You guessed it...the CZ factory.
Both companies profit from crappy trigger sets. Like I said, this is Angus Hobdell's bread and butter ($210 and up). And needless to say, CZ is more than happy to provide him the pricey parts.
Heck, Cajun Gun Works wouldn't even exist had it not been for CZ's crappy triggers.
So, if anyone is contemplating trigger re-work and would rather not tackle the job themselves....send it to CGW.
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Otto said:
I agree that Cajun Gun Woks is a great place to have work done. And I suspect David Milam would still be a top-notch gunsmith if CZ wasn't such a popular weapon.
HOW do you know that all of the parts in question come from the CZ factory?
I know, for example, that Cajun Gun Works has many of its parts made to its own spec by firms here in the U.S., and Angus Hobdell designed some of the upgrade parts they use at the CZ Custom Shop, too. That has been the case, over the years, for a lot of different gunsmiths who do custom work -- including some who did CZ work. None of those firms wanted to be totally dependent on a provider in Europe who had its own priorities!
There are all sorts of vendors for Glock, S&W, and even SIG guns parts with trigger kits and performance parts available. If what you say is true, that would suggest that Glock, S&W, and SIG, among others, aren't as nearly savvy as CZ when it comes to selling parts and making money.
I've owned the CZ 75b, 75b SA and SP01. All were/are range pistols for me. I liked the SA better but as you say it's the same "meh" trigger just in SA.
I resorted to turning my SP01 into a SA. I put a SA trigger and race hammer/sear kit from CGW on it and it's awesome! I VERY lightly hand polished the hammer/sear interface (I think I installed a lighter main spring also).
It's one of the few pistols I own that I won't part with.....it's just that good.
I resorted to turning my SP01 into a SA. I put a SA trigger and race hammer/sear kit from CGW on it and it's awesome! I VERY lightly hand polished the hammer/sear interface (I think I installed a lighter main spring also).
It's one of the few pistols I own that I won't part with.....it's just that good.
JR24
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I found the 2014 P-07 had a nicer SA trigger than the 75's I've shot in the past out of the box.
They don't really offer a SA for it, but you can install the thumb safety and run it like a SAO. Only problem is the safety is too small for my little thumbs to disengage with confidence Still waiting to find a commercial extended safety lever.
They don't really offer a SA for it, but you can install the thumb safety and run it like a SAO. Only problem is the safety is too small for my little thumbs to disengage with confidence
Still waiting to find a commercial extended safety lever.- Status
