Daley Freaks Out!!!

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posted by jackmead: "Can you see everyone having guns in their home?" Mayor Daly
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Uh... 40% of the country has guns in their home, you and all your alderman and councilman buddies get to carry guns, why is that? If guns are so dangerous, WHY DO YOU HAVE ARMED SECURITY and WHY DO ALDERMEN/COUNCILMEN carry guns???
 
After a 16 hour @#$ busting duty day here in the Sandbox, Heller was some much needed good news---6 pm release here, I heard about it at 9 pm.

Daley even said we should dissolve the court and settle things old west style, with guns.

He may wish to reconsider the wisdom of that offer.

I do agree it's shameful there's a different standard for federal buildings. File the case, Mr Daley, require the fed buildings to abide by the law of the land.:evil:
 
I was born and raised in Chicago. When his father was mayor, it was still legal to own handguns in Chicago. The city didn't degenerate into complete chaos then, and it wouldn't today if the ban were repealed. This mayor knows it too. You can tell, because when he knows he's wrong, he talks in his Mickey Mouse voice.

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posted by jackmead: "Can you see everyone having guns in their home?" Mayor Daly

Uh... 40% of the country has guns in their home, you and all your alderman and councilman buddies get to carry guns, why is that? If guns are so dangerous, WHY DO YOU HAVE ARMED SECURITY and WHY DO ALDERMEN/COUNCILMEN carry guns???
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Exactly. His hypocrisy is beyond tiresome.
 
The frontier is gone.
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In fact the frontier has been "gone" since before the year 1890, when the U.S. Census said so. But handguns were legal in Chicago for most of the time between then and now. It's only in this Mayor Daley's term that gun violence has spiraled out of control, and that's the same period that his administration decided to deny handguns to honest citizens.

One need look no further than Mayor Daley and his administration for the source of gun violence in Chicago, just as there is no need to look further than the City Council of Washington, DC, and its mayor for the roots of similar problems there.
 
With friends like these, who needs enemies?

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Unfortunately, the Dick has a point. He can argue with quite a good faith basis in law that the protection does not apply as against state and local government restrictions, since the SCOTUS failed to rule on the doctrine of incorporation. It would take another case, which would require (a) A volunteer litigant or two, willing to be arrested and have a criminal record, (b) tens if not hundreds of thousands of dollars to pay for all the appeals, (c) many years to wind its way through the system, and finally (d) the SCOTUS granting certiorari to the case to agree to decide the issue of incorporation, which could take another 70 years (or more) as did the time between Miller and Heller. Yes, boys and girls, the SCOTUS just !#@^#$ us royally by punting the fundamental-ness/incorporation question - more specifically, they allowed state and local tyrants like the Dick to (*&%(*^% us**. So to speak....
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I agree that Heller could have been so much better for us, and between this issue and the permissible prior restraint "regulations" (infringements) I wonder if maybe we are being played. For all we know, by the time this gets back through the court system, most of us will be dead and who knows what the makeup of the SCOTUS will be by then anyway.

Funny, I did not hear of anyone being released from prison who is serving a sentence for violating "gun laws". I still need to jump through hoops to buy, sell, ship or carry. What really has changed other than for those unlucky enough to have chosen to live in DC?
 
That's what I fail to understand about this whole argument - laws against guns only prevent those who choose to abide by those laws of owning a firearm - the law breakers, aka criminals, will get the guns regardless! So you create a populous of helpless victims - what's so hard to understand? I'm glad that the ruling is ruffling the feathers of guys like Daley.
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The politicians-or at least the emperor-wannabe's like Daley- DO understand this. They want their subjects to be helpless and scared. Then they have to beg and plead for the government to save them and meet their most basic needs. This gives the government power.
 
I'm not surprised Daly's freaking out. Alan Gura's coming for him next, and he brought friends. :D

SAF FILES LAWSUIT CHALLENGING CHICAGO’S HANDGUN BAN

BELLEVUE, WA – Following Thursday’s 5-4 ruling by the U.S. Supreme Court in the case of District of Columbia v. Heller that the Second Amendment protects an individual civil right to keep and bear arms, and that a municipal gun ban violates that right, the Second Amendment Foundation (SAF) and the Illinois State Rifle Association (ISRA) filed a federal lawsuit challenging the City of Chicago’s long-standing handgun ban. The case is McDonald v. City of Chicago.

“Chicago’s handgun ban has failed to stop violent crime,” SAF founder Alan Gottlieb stated. “It’s time to give the Constitution a chance.”

In addition to SAF and ISRA, plaintiffs include Chicago residents Otis McDonald, a retiree who has been working with police to rid his neighborhood of drug dealers, and who wants to have a handgun at his home; Adam Orlov, a former Evanston police officer; software engineer David Lawson and his wife, Colleen, a hypnotherapist, whose home has been targeted by burglars. Attorney Alan Gura, who argued the District of Columbia challenge before the high court, and Chicago area attorney David G. Sigale, represent the plaintiffs.

“Our goal,” Gura said “is to require state and local officials to respect our Second Amendment right to keep and bear arms. Chicago’s handgun ban, and some of its gun registration requirements, are clearly unconstitutional.”

“The right to defend our homes and families against those who would do them harm, whether a random criminal, violent ex-domestic partner, or other wrongdoer, is one of the principles upon which America was founded,” Sigale said. “It is time the City of Chicago trust its honest, law-abiding residents with this Constitutional right.”

“Chicago's registration scheme cries out for common-sense reform,” ISRA Executive Director Richard Pearson added.

Under the gun law currently in place, firearms must be re-registered annually.

“Each time,” Gura said, “a tax is imposed, forms must be filled out, photographs submitted. A person who owns more than one gun will find herself or himself constantly in the process of registering each gun as it comes due for expiration. If registration is to be required, once is enough.”

He further noted that Chicago’s bizarre requirement that guns be registered before they are acquired often times makes registration impossible. The penalty for failure to comply with the registration scheme is that a gun not re-registered on time can never be registered again. Gura likened it to a requirement to dispose of a car if it is not re-registered on time with the Department of Motor Vehicles.

Find out more by visiting: http://www.ChicagoGunCase.com
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Actually all this will take is someone to challenge the law in the Federal Dist. Court. The lower courts can decide the issue of incorporation, and it will be up to the Supremes to agree or disagree down the line.
 
How will they hash out "Police Power" ?

Will it be defined as the State Police forces collective opinion ?
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The police power has nothing to do with police officers or agencies.

It is the general power granted to the state to regulate behaviors.

For the most part, what looks like a very solid RTKBA statement in the Illinois constitution is meaningless.
 
Wow, they are pathetic. Are they always that way in Chicagoland?
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Yes. And that includes the "conservative" Tribune that just formally called to repeal the 2nd Amendment and self-described local "conservative" talk radio personalities like "Big John" who stated he wouldn't want to live next to someone who owned an AK-47.

The Daily Herald, a suburban newspaper has some balance, but there are no real firends of the 2nd on the air or in print (aside from 2-3 columnists). John Kass, Steve Chapman at the Trib. And the Tribs Eric Zorn, though anti-leaning at least gives gun owners the benefit of the doubt most times.
 
The police power has nothing to do with police officers or agencies.

It is the general power granted to the state to regulate behaviors.

For the most part, what looks like a very solid RTKBA statement in the Illinois constitution is meaningless.
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I wish that they would see police infringement on the right as the exception rather than the rule. Maybe these new lawsuits on the city will shed light on this amendment.
 
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