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Damascus?wallhanger

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kimbernut

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I'M REFINISHING A WALLHANGER 100+year old SxS 12 GA. FOR A FRIEND.Whoever did it last time before he bought it polyeurathaned the gun stem to stern with runs everywhere.My regular finish remover did a great job on the stock but will it work on the barrels and rib without damage or is there a better way to clean it up.
I'm not sure this is Damascus steel as there is no typical layered pattern to the steel noticable but it's scrolled very faintly on the top of the rib "Belgium Damascus".
 
"...polyurethane..." Comes off with grain alcohol. Worked in a bar long ago that had the bar top polyurethaned. Spillage dissovled it.
"..."Belgium Damascus"..." That says it all. It really is a pity. A lot of those Belgium Damascus shotguns were well made and have really nice wood. In any case, alcohol, dissovles polyurethane. And I'll help you thump the plug who bubba'd it.
 
rephrase

Maybe a rephraseing of my question will generate a little more help-that's what i'm asking for guys.Sunray,thanks for the grain alcohol input but it's not something I keep around.
I guess what I really need to know is: will the finish stripper that I use on stocks hurt the steel in the barrels and rib?If I'm going to brown or blue the barrels and rib anyway is 0000 steel wool the way to go to remove the poly or is there a better way? Any help or direction to some folks who may know the answers appreciated.
 
Hard to tell what the finish remover might do. Try a sample of acetone on an inconspicous place...I think that will take it off. I've used acetone to clean small gun parts prior to cold blueing. Didn't hurt them at all and it does melt paint pretty well. Strong stuff...use in well ventilated space, wear rubber gloves.
 
Polyurethane is pretty tough and the polymerization reaction is technically not reversible. You can try paint thinner (unlikely to do much), acetone (may work), lacquer thinner (decent chance), pr MEK (methyl ethyl ketone, pretty sure to work).
MEK is about $15 a gallon, and is actually safer to handle than paint thinner (AKA ‘Stoddard solvent, and a very impure mixture).
You really cannot harm the steel with any of these solvents, but keep them away from any finish you are trying to preserve.
A brass brush and a gallon of MEK should strip everything pretty clean.
 
Including your brain, if you're not careful. I keep many things in this house, MEK isn't one of them - too dang dangerous.
 
MEK is just another good solvent to have around. Don't drink it, but it will do the solvent trick when acetone won't. Ingested toxicity is very low, in fact, if you go on the Atkins diet, your body makes ketones as a waste product. Treat it like any other stuff you don't want your 7 yr. old playing with, but "too dang dangerous", I don't think so. YMMV
 
MEk has less toxicity potential than the witches brew of paint thinner (chemically called 'Stoddard Solvent). Paint thinner is separated by boiling fraction only and receives almost no other processing.
MEK is a pure solvent. While it falls into the possible CNS damage class, this is not for limited home exposure but long term industrial exposure. Paint thinner is associated with CNS damage also.
Below is the hazard section from a typical MSDS sheet for MEK.
As solvents go, this one is not really that bad. The chief drawback to MEK is the cost. Paint thinner is less than $2 a gallon, compared to MEK around $15 (retail).

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Health Hazard Data
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LD50-LC50 Mixture: TLV: 200 PPM
Route Of Entry - Inhalation: YES
Route Of Entry - Skin: YES
Route Of Entry - Ingestion: YES
Health Haz Acute And Chronic: EYES: SEVERLY IRRITATING. IF NOT REMOVED
PROMPTLY, MAY RESULT IN PERMANENT DAMAGE. SKIN: PROLONGED CONTACT MAY
IRRITATE AND CAUSE DERMITITIS. INHALATION: VAPORS ARE IRRITATING TO
RESPIRATORY TRACT AND MAY AFFECT THE CNS. INGESTION: LIQUID ASPIRATED INTO
THE RESPIRATORY SYSTEM DURING INGESTION MAY CAUSE PULMONARY EDEMA.
Carcinogenicity - NTP: NO
Carcinogenicity - IARC: NO
Carcinogenicity - OSHA: NO
Explanation Carcinogenicity: THE COMPONENTS OF THIS PRODUCT HAVE NOT SHOWN
ANY EVIDENCE OF BEING CARCINOGENIC.
Signs/Symptoms Of Overexp: INHALATION: MAY CASUE HEADACHE AND DIZZINESS.
Med Cond Aggravated By Exp: NONE SPECIFIED BY MANUFACTURER.
Emergency/First Aid Proc: EYES: FLUSH WITH LARGE AMOUNT OF WATER. GET
MEDICAL ATTENTION. SKIN: REMOVE CONTAMINATED CLOTHING. WASH AREA WITH SOAP
AND WATER. GET MEDICAL ATTENTION IF IRRITATION PERSISTS. INHALATION: REMOVE
DO NOT INDUCE VOMITING. KEEP AT REST. GET MEDICAL ATTENTION.
 
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Many thanks guys! I'll try the acetone first since I have it on hand.If it doesn't do the job I'll go the MEK route. I knew with the experience here at THR I could count on you.
 
Ingested toxicity is very low, in fact, if you go on the Atkins diet, your body makes ketones as a waste product. Treat it like any other stuff you don't want your 7 yr. old playing with, but "too dang dangerous", I don't think so.
Sorry, but I have to comment on this. I don't know the biological effects of MEK (check the MSDS, among other things), but saying that it's not that dangerous because the body makes ketones is extrapolating way too far from a single data point. Ketones are a very broad class of organic chemicals; they are, chemically speaking, any two alkanes (methane, ethane, propane, butane, et seq.) bound by a C=O group in the middle (that's a carbon atom and an oxygen atom with a double bond). MEK, then, would be methane (CH4, drop one H to give it a place to bond, so CH3) bonded to the C=O, bonded to an ethane (C2H5, remember to drop one H). Even though they're all still ketones, dimethyl ketone, di-ethyl ketone, butyl-methyl-ketone, and so forth are all different compounds, with different properties.

To put this in perspective, consider this: alcohols are also just hydrocarbon groups, but the functional group is an OH tacked onto one end. Ethanol (ethyl alcohol) is C2H5OH. Methanol (methyl alcohol) is CH3OH.

Ethanol and methanol are both alcohols. Ethanol is good stuff (particularly in the form of Talisker, Laphroaig, or other fine single-malt). Methanol will kill you dead (after it blinds you).

Don't extrapolate based solely on the fact that they're the same broad category of chemicals. CHECK THE MSDS.

(Somewhere, my chem teacher is smiling, even if I did have to look up the functional groups.)
 
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