dang airports!

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I am an amateur radio operator, and I used to carry a lot of radios with me when going to (gulp) Chicago as a stop to (gulp) Canada. I once had six radios in my bag that I put through the scanner. The operator asked me if it was a bomb, I said "no, they are radios." He motioned me through without even opening the bag. I think I was 15, which would be 1996.

I came back from Canada one year with a cooler full of fish. The cooler was fine as far as size for a carry-on, but was too large to fit on the belt of the x-ray machine at Midway in Chicago. They just left me through without opening it. This was maybe 1997 or 1998.

-SquirrelNuts
 
Hey guys, I just thought of this. I'm sure I'm not the first, but I haven't seen it mentioned on here.

Why not sharpen the edge of a quarter? It would probably pass through a checkpoint if it was with some other change, and could be used as a small knife if needed. It's pretty sad that we have to start thinking like terrorists just to get useful tools on an airplane :(

I've only flown on a commercial jet twice, and I don't plan to again until these ridiculous restrictions are lifted (which I don't expect will ever happen).
 
I work in a courthouse. I have connections with the Bailiff's. They show me all their collectible firearms and we talk about guns and badguys and the distortion of the law, etc. etc. They are some really good, old, retirees.

They showed me a publication a few weeks ago that had pictures and descriptions of non-metal weapons that could be smuggled through checkpoints and metal detectors. There were really some good ideas in there. Of course it was meant to educate the LEOs on what to look for.
 
Airport Security made my 5 year old grandson take off his shoes to get on the plane. I never take a plane anymore unless it is absolutely necessary. What a joke the whole charade is. And the airlines are losing money. I wonder why. And now the taxpayer is supposed to bail them out. Quantrill
 
"Airport Security made my 5 year old grandson take off his shoes to get on the plane. I never take a plane anymore"


Same here, I won't fly commerical any more, (I know some people due to there jobs cannot take this stand) but for me I it's the loss of freedom, rudeness of airport workers, just is not worth the effort. My feeling is if they want to strip
search little kids and old ladies let them
go broke.:cuss:
 
I read somewhere that silence is also perceived as approval. If we dont' tell somebody about our discontent, they won't know what to change. I mean, the leaders represent the people, right?:D
 
I keep a bicycle tool in my backpack, in case I need it (I bike most everywhere I go).

well, last time I flew I used my backpack as my carry-on (pretty typical). I forgot about the bike tool till after I checked my baggage, but figured "it's no big deal. it's a bicycle tool."

wrong.

they made me go back through security and check it with the airline, then come back through and get searched again.

I asked the security guy "what do they think I'm gonna do, dismantle the airplane?" and he made a comment about how his ball-point pen was a more effective weapon than my bike tool, but since they banned all tools, of any size, on the plane ... it had to get checked.

he agreed it was stupid, but he was just the guy who enforced the rules.
 
he agreed it was stupid, but he was just the guy who enforced the rules.
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This is at least the second or third time I've seen this said in this thread.

It scares me to death.

"Well, I didn't have anything against the Jews personally, but it was just my job to fill the chamber with gas...."

:uhoh:

:cuss:

There is no evil worse than the indifference of good men....
 
I wasn't thinking about it quite that way, but I certainly was thinking it was dumb that he was enforcing a policy he doesn't agree with at all.

I likened it to a cop enforcing a law he knows is unconstitutional.

I've been thinking ever since that day I should get an all-non-metal knife, just in case someone gets creative and uses something to get past security and I need to defend myself or others.
 
"Well, I didn't have anything against the Jews personally, but it was just my job to fill the chamber with gas...."
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You don't actually think that's a reasonable analogy, do you?
I think it's insulting to even compare the two scenarios.
 
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"Well, I didn't have anything against the Jews personally, but it was just my job to fill the chamber with gas...."
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You don't actually think that's a reasonable analogy, do you?
I think it's insulting to even compare the two scenarios.
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Personally, I don't see a big difference in the apporach, only in the magnitude of the transgression. If you recall, the gassing of Jews (including more than a few of my ancestors) started with stripping them of any defensive tools. For that reason, I have similar sentiments towards the airport security screeners and towards the final solution workers of the 1940s. Same lovely slippery slope.
 
You don't actually think that's a reasonable analogy, do you?
I think it's insulting to even compare the two scenarios.
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It's exactly the same thing.

I've been thinking ever since that day I should get an all-non-metal knife, just in case someone gets creative and uses something to get past security and I need to defend myself or others.
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I have one and I got it from a cop. It's only good for stabbing/poking. Not a good slicer.
 
I've been thinking ever since that day I should get an all-non-metal knife, just in case someone gets creative and uses something to get past security and I need to defend myself or others.
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I would *NOT* want to be anywhere NEAR a person who gets caught with a concealed weapon at an airport.

You seen those guardsmen with AR-15's at your airport?

You'd be on the business end of more than a few right quick if you got caught with a concealed weapon.
 
I don't see any similarity between preventing airline passengers from carrying a pocket knife onto an airplane and gassing jews. Especially since your made the analogy based upon this statement:

he agreed it was stupid, but he was just the guy who enforced the rules.
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There are a lot of stupid rules. There are a lot of people who enforce stupid rules. Is there a definitive list of which of these is like gassing jews, or is it a case-by-case thing?

Can't carry a pistol in a courthouse. Gassing jews!
Can't carry in church in some states. Gassing jews!
Can't carry at all in some states. Gassing jews!

It's flawed logic. It's a bad analogy.
 
What's that quote by Jefferson, I think?

"Laws intended to disarm only disarm the law-abiding" or something like that?

By eagerly applying for jobs with the Nazi-esque TSA, they to some extent agree with its policies.

If no one would dare work for the TSA because of its absurd, faulty, illogical, and police-state tactics and policies, that would send a pretty clear message to the govt., wouldn't it?

In my eyes those who are eager to disarm me are no better than Hitler's men who followed his orders in murdering Jews, because if I am disarmed, it well could cost me or a loved one our life.
 
Can't carry a pistol in a courthouse. Gassing jews!
Can't carry in church in some states. Gassing jews!
Can't carry at all in some states. Gassing jews!
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In more general terms, disarming people for any reason is evil. I'll cut a little more slack to the airlines as using them is a voluntary action on the part of the passengers. So, no, it isn't quite as nasty as murdering scores of people for their ethnic origin. It is, however, as incompatible with the ideals of the American way of life as the travel documents and other concepts borrowed from the USSR and from other such regimes.

Does making a comparison to the gassings "cheapen" the original tragedy? Perhaps. But the comparison of the original slippery slop to the present day trends is instructive. One can only hope for Nuremberg-type proceedings against the culprits at a later date.
 
what were jews told before being put in gas chambers?
most often "its a shower, we have to make sure you are clean before we send you to the work camps".
or did you think the jews lined up on their own and "volunteered" for the chamber?

for starters, the TSA takes great liberties to say what is "contraband" on an airplane. items that positively could not be used in a threatening manner (like the 3 inch plastic toy rifle that compliments a G.I.Joe action figure) or forcing a mother to sample her own bottled breast milk for her infant.
what about forcing a 5 yr old to take off shoes to "inspect" for weapons/bombs? what about telling a WWII Vet that his Medal of Honor must be confiscated and will be destroyed, not even offering him any way to send it to his destination or send it home?
reminds me of the scene in "Natural Born Killers" where the prison warden is inspecting the room Mickey Knox will be interviewed in by Wayne Gale, and refuses to let them have pencils. (that point is lost on the audience that didnt see the directors cut with the deleted scene where Mickey denies council in favor of defending himself in court on the murder charges, and stabs a witness for the prosecution with a pencil, or maybe it was a pen, i forget).

the point is, we are ALL being treated as potential criminals/suspects/terrorists. only because it is politically incorrect in this country to profile people based on their background.

and dont forget that the Nazis were intent on EXTERMINATING more than just the Jews. anyone who didnt fit their profile of "model citizen", and they included race, appearance, sexual orientation, religious beliefs as their criteria for whom to exercise the "Final Solution" upon.
 
Spackler,

It's an analogy, not a facsimile.

The point is that it is evil to enforce a law which you know is wrong, and pointless, and just plain bad. That particular form of evil is exactly what the folks who were manning the gas ovens were doing. They were stifling their consciences, hardening their hearts, and ignoring what their eyes should have seen. And for what? For a paycheck? For security? For the sake of their families?

The fellow working at the airport, enforcing a law which he knows is pointless and just plain bad is doing the exact same thing. He is ignoring the evidence before his eyes and the conclusion his brain tells him is right. And for what? For a paycheck? For security? For the sake of his family?

The particular form of the evil is the same, even though the magnitude of the resulting evil is not.

Not yet, anyway.

pax

He who passively accepts evil is as much involved in it as he who helps to perpetuate it. – Martin Luther King, Jr.
 
Well put, Oleg.

It is, as you say, a "slippery slope", though it has a long way to go before it approaches a level where it can be compared to the holocaust.
 
Commuter airlines get the same treatment as the larger airlines. If you are a commercial carrier, passengers and bags are screened by the TSA.
 
its much closer than you think, spackler.
every week we hear about instances where personal freedoms are being restricted. all because corrupt politicians distrust their subjects.
think about the gun control issues going on in illinois, how the Democrats keep trying to slip bills by the people to take away their rights and turn them into criminals for owning/possessing mere objects. look at the list of banned weapons in the PRK. look at the handgun ban in DC, where a permit must be issued for a person to legally move a gun from one room to the next, not even out of their own residence. what about not being able to lock your luggage on an airline? many people who transport firearms with them wont feel safe with any airline crew member being able to go through their bags and take whatever they want.

but people still sit back and say "oh things arent so bad. they have good intentions. this war on terror is making the world a safer place."

who is really made safer because grandma cant knit while on a flight and little johnnys gijoe cant shoot imaginary enemies?
the fact is the TSA is a waste of resources, and an excuse to rob you and i of our rights as human beings.
 
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