Danish Service Grade all gone, but Greeks around the corner.

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I have just found out that my order for a pair of Danish Service grade M-1 Garands did not make it in time.

They were all sold out by the time my order got there.

There are still Danish rack grades.

But, I'm canceling my order and sitting on my money as Greek Garands are about to come out either in May or in June.

Here are two pics of Greek garands I found on the CMP Forum.

http://img4.photobucket.com/albums/0703/NEtracker/misc/GreekM1_2.jpg

http://img4.photobucket.com/albums/0703/NEtracker/misc/GreekM1_1.jpg

I think I'll just wait and get a Greek Service Grade and a Molon Labe hat to go with it..............

hillbilly
 
The CMP sent out an email to all recent customers in early April stating that as of April 4, they had all the orders they needed to completely exhaust the supply of Danish Service Grade Garands.

My order was mailed out on March 24, but did not make the cut to acutally get the rifles I wanted.

Danish Rack Grade rifles are still available, as are the Danish rack grades without any wood on them.

About 45,000 Greek Garands were received by the CMP last year, and will be released for sale by late May or June.....if all goes according to schedule.

But since when does anything go according to schedule?

They have the Greeks, they just have to examine and grade several thousand of them so they have enough to meet the demand when they are offered for sale.

hillbilly
 
No info on prices or actual release dates.

But, they will probably be priced about like the Danes were.

Condition reports I'm reading are a complete mixed bag.

Everything from Unissued (very, very few, but some do exist) to ratty things worse than Danish rack grade with all grades in between.

Look for the unissued ones to go on the CMP auction site with high prices.

I just want a nice service grade Greek, hopefully priced about like a Dane service grade....low $400s.


hillbilly
 
I've been looking at the CMP site and don't see any FFL/C&R requirement. What is the deal? If you qualify by their standards will they ship directly to you?
 
When I was in Greece in '93, I saw them using Garands for guard duty on a ship and also for their memorial to the Unknown Soldier. Very nice condition, don't think they felt undergunned.
 
SHHHH!!!

MAN!! don't be spreading this Greek rumor around! I want a couple for myself!!:p

By some accounts these will be Springfield receivers, and Euro birch stocks...

I'll be adding one to its brothers soon!
 
Any word on when the Greek rifles were manufactured? I haven't heard anything about if these were surplus rifles obtained after WWII or if they were obtained later and therefore possibly include H&R and IH made rifles.
 
Greeks

From a CMP forum thread...
"all 4 manufactures were sent, 45,000 came back in this lot. There are only a few IHC and a few more WRA but a boat load of HRA and postwar SAs. Condition ranges from new in the wrap to boat anchor material. "
So, probably the bulk are HRA & SA.
 
I'm new to this whole CMP thing, so forgive me if I'm being stupid, but.... What would be the reason to wait for the Greek service grade Garands rather than buy one of the (presumably still available) SA or HRA service grade units?
 
$$$
Service grade SA and HRA's cost about $100+ more than the service grade Danes did. Paying an extra C note for 1 or 2 American made parts vs the occasional Danish part thrown in was not my idea of a deal.
Glad I already got my Dane M1.
 
Could be the extra C note was because the M1's that din't get lent overseas din't see much use here. But the ones that did take the trip were actually used alot, and parts replaced with Pietro Beretta, etc...
 
Also note that some are just waiting for those Greek return M1's so they can add to a collection of various CMP and non-cmp rifles. Some may have 3, 6, 9, 12 or more Garands now, and need that variant.
(note the numbers I used!):cool:
 
Could be the extra C note was because the M1's that din't get lent overseas din't see much use here. But the ones that did take the trip were actually used alot, and parts replaced with Pietro Beretta, etc...

No, not if I understand things correctly from talking to the CMP North guys. ALL of the CMP stuff up there right now is lend-lease rifles from Denmark, even the all-US parts guns....it's just that some SA and HRA guns got dane & beretta parts and thus become "Dane VAR" M1's, while the more "original" guns are labeled as such and priced accordingly.

The extra value of the original US parts guns are for their collectibility - US parts means more to US collectors.

FWIW, the Dane VAR barrels were in everything from decent to brand new condition - some of them literally unfired, so there's nothing to the theory that the Dane guns were used more. The one I have has a 0+ muzzle and throat, literally new.
 
swingset wrote:

FWIW, the Dane VAR barrels were in everything from decent to brand new condition - some of them literally unfired, so there's nothing to the theory that the Dane guns were used more. The one I have has a 0+ muzzle and throat, literally new.

Practically ALL of the M1's the Danes received were used US rifles that came out of WWII and were then re-furbed before being sent back over. A very small percentage of them were actual post WWII production, but from board reports it seems less than 5%. The rest were all WWII re-furbs.

The Danes used the s**t out of these rifles... ALL of them..... but fortunately for us, they then were very diligent about maintaining them with new Italian and Dane parts, even to the extent of doing complete re-parks of all the metal. They also used Euro beech to replace the wood parts (not a pretty wood, but very solid and functional).

Any Dane returned M1 that appears "unfired" is one of these well used by the US and then well used some more by the Danes rifles that then got a full overhaul and new Dane VAR barrel before being stored for future use.

The Danish made VAR barrels were primo. Tight tolerances and many went right to storage after the re-barrel. Swingset, you evidently received one of these. I was lucky enough to receive 4 of them among the rifles I've bought from the CMP, all apparently unfired since the rebuild and full re-park of the metal. Other Dane M1's I've received have been well used, even AFTER the Danes did their rebuilds..... with well worn VAR barrels.

BTW... herein lies a MAJOR difference between the Danes and the Greeks.... maintenance.

In all the reports I've seen-read coming out of Anniston by guys who've gone there, I've seen nothing that leads me to believe that the Greek returns have been refinished. All have the same US finish that they had when we sent them over. The only additions I've read that the Greeks did to the M1's was to put on some freaky blond Euro wood to replace the US made stocks they broke while bouncing them around the rocks of their islands.

Also..... VAR replacement barrels were uniquely Dane. The Greek returns will have the same barrels that they had when we sent them over there... however worn and abused they might be.

I've read nothing regarding any replacement parts added on by the Greeks (other than the freaky blond wood). This, combined with the lack of any kind of metal re-finishing by the Greeks, concerns me about the total accumulated wear on most of these rifles. Remember, many of these rifles were sent to the Greeks IMMEDIATELY at the end of WWII, when Communist insurgents were sneaking down from the North to try & subvert the Greek King's government. The Greek Army and their "home guard" have had almost 60 years of use out of these weapons, and with no apparent armory level maintenance..... Hmmm... makes me think.

As stated by somebody else already, the really nice Greeks that escaped the use by their new owners will most likely be auctioned. The rest of them will be well used, NOT rebuilt like the Danes, and to all reports, will be as much or more abused than the Dane Rack Grades the CMP now has.

Actual results still to be seen when these are finally released for sale.

Anyway...... this just my thoughts based on all I've read about them.

Best to all,
Swampy

Garands forever
 
Great report Swampy, as usual.

It's too bad we didn't give them to the French. If we had, we'd be getting them back in new, unfired condition! (Well, except for being dropped once or twice, that is!)

Lock and load,

Rusty

:p
 
Swampy, what you said actually encourages me a little.

Shoot, a Service Grade Greek might be sold for about what a Rack Grade Danish sells for.

I'm thinking about rebarreling to .308 anyway.

Hmmmm.....

hillbilly
 
A good rule of thumb when buying surplus rifles is that the closer to the equator the country is, the worse the condition of any mil-surp weaponry.

Denmark is substantially north of Greece, so I'm predicting poorer rifles out of Greece. My guess is slightly better maintained than a Turk Mauser, some of which were nice, most of which were crap.
 
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