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From American Cop Magazine

Lasers for Dumbnutz
John Connor

It's a very rare, way cool thing when the first time you use a new weapon system operationally, it's fun and funny. Even better when none of your troops get hurt. That's the way it was for me and laser sights.

Lasers were spanky-new then, and I had just spun-up a metro SWAT unit on 'em. That's when we got the call on a bungled-robbery hostage-taking incident, and we rolled with a bag-full of berry-blasters. On arrival, we learned this was a combination SWAT mission, training session and situation comedy.

These two dipsticks were in the midst of a late-night armed robbery of a 24-hour grocery store when the beat cop wandered by, glanced through the full-width glass windows, and determined that two hooded morons with shotguns weren't "valued customers." Good call. Then the fun began.

Panicked, the Dynamic Duo took about 20 customers and employees hostage, headed them to the rear of the store, then came back up front to announce, "Yeah, we got all the cards, baby, don't mess with us." Yeah. Meantime, the hostages all decided to take a group hike out the unlocked, unguarded freight door. When Tweedle-Dee came back to check and found all the birds had flown, he opted not to tell his partner the nest was empty. He slid on out into the alley, right into the arms of several patrol cops. By then, the Street Troops were comin' in like sharks on a wounded tuna.

This left Tweedle-Dum all by his lonely up front, sans hostages, partner, brains and clues. But he had lots of new friends: about two dozen patrol officers and an equal number of Tactical Trolls anxious to try out their new laser-thingies. Cool!

TD2 (Tweedle-Dum) hunkered up against a cashier's booth, loudly announced he was The Man In Charge, and demanded like, a million dollars, a helicopter to fly him to Cuba, champagne, new Nikes and the letter "Q" stricken from the alphabet - something like that, anyway. We replied he was in fact "The Duty Bullet-Catcher, SOL, festooned with interesting red splotz all over his head and torso, and maybe we could front him enough for a cup of coffee on his way to jail" - or the morgue. Something like that.

Hey, the TV news vans weren't on the scene yet.

He didn't notice those red splotz for a moment, but when he did, he freaked, backscrabbling on his butt and brushing at 'em wildly. In the process, he was moving into position to pick up several more red berries. I figured, the perimeter's secure, why not use all the lasers? The guys loved it. TD2 didn't. Especially the one that kept landing on his nose. After a brief explanation about "where the dots are, the bullets go," he selected the Coffee-and-Cuffs Option. We didn't even get to cream some canned corn for a "demo."

Following that debut, I got to train other police and military units with lasers, and even evaluate what was possibly their first use in combat. It became clear that under conditions allowing some reasonable control of the battlespace and placement of designated laser-marksmen, they produced truly significant psychological effects on criminals and poorly-trained but "industrialized and urbanized" troops. Since that was the extent of my exposure, those were my limited observations. Crooks with nowhere to run, and enemy troops with no survivable options tended to give up when "dotted." That in itself made lasers worth having. But there were problems.

Laser units were as big and clunky as soup cans, crawling with octopi-cords, sometimes heavier than the weapons they were mounted on - and fragile. If the anticipated action was fast, violent and close, the lasers were kept on the perimeter, or simply left behind. I developed the opinion that lasers were incredibly useful - in very, very limited situations, amounting to a fraction of engagements. And I believe I was right, at the time.

The ultimate criterion for employment of lasers was control. I placed and assigned lasers in multiples, generally in fixed positions, backed up by 'scoped or iron-sighted shooters. I used them primarily for psychological effect, not target acquisition. I put 'em in the same mental bag as flash-bangs, gas grenades and sedative-laced pizza. They didn't belong in free-for-alls. My troops had a fine record of hitting what they shot at, so why introduce more hardware into a winning equation?
Then, I moved deeper into tactical theory, training methodology and behavioral analysis - and the rapidly-evolving World of Lasers passed me by, stupidly ignored. Let me make this clear: When I thought of the title, "Lasers For Dummies," I was thinking of myself!

How Dumb Was I?

Pretty dumb - and smug.
I was a good weapons operator, and I'd fought for my life and won. Why change? Because my life did. Suddenly I found myself in the semi-civilian world, where the nature of armed engagements was very, very different, and where modern lasers were proving their worth every day, in the hands of citizens and street cops alike. This is way different from poppin' jungle ambushes and chasing bandits down donkey-cart alleys in Kabonga-Bongo!
I was behind the curve, and even worse, I had neglected my own first three rules of gunfighting: 1. Stack the deck! 2. Load the dice! 3.

CHEAT!

First, I did some homework. Reviewing dozens of police and armed-citizen shootings, I confirmed for myself the vast majority share these characteristics: They're fast, close, moving and dark. They happen in seconds. Many occur at arm's length or closer; 10 yards is a long shot. Both or all parties are in motion. Low light is a norm. They erupt in parking structures and lots, around ATMs and convenience stores, sometimes in your own home or yard. The presence of cars, horizontal and vertical obstacles, and other people is common.

Then I went through reams of reports from cops, agencies and citizens. The general consensus was that lasers boosted gunfighting hits from the 20-percent range to around 90-percent, and in many cases where belligerents were not impressed with the presence of a gun, they were deeply impressed by a laser-berry leaping out of one. I won't quote them here, and didn't rely on them, because (a) I can't independently verify all of them, (b) negative reports were unavailable or nonexistent, and (c) I had to see for myself. I did. Where clunky, fragile lasers were once the wrong tool, tiny, durable lasers now rule.

Going Back To School

Other outfits make laser sights, but Crimson Trace and LaserMax are the twin giant gorillas of LaserWorld. I presented myself to them, said, "My name's Connor, and I'm a cretin," opened my head-valve, and received. Bunches. Tactical and technical, theoretical and practical. You can get a lot of the same on the Web or in print, but I like my humble pie served upclose and personal. Clued, kitted and retro-fitted, I hit the range.

The bottom line is this: Across the board, in diminished light, low-light, and near-total darkness, on stationary and moving targets, in the open or shooting from cover, two-handed or one, strong or weak hand, my hits went up significantly and my elapsed times fell, with one exception. Shooting with one hand, weak-hand, backing rapidly away from a silhouette target at five yards in low light, my six-shot time increased from an average of 2.7 seconds to a hair over four seconds. My hits, however, increased from an average of two out of six in the torso to six out of six in the 9 and 10-zones. I can live with that. I'll work on the speed.

Gains were least at ranges of seven to 10 yards in low light - but they were still gains. Improvements were most striking in three situations: Movement: Myself, the target(s), or both. Distance and darkness: When light was almost nil and targets were 15 yards and further, gains were gargantuan. Close-hold: At grappling distance, with the weapon tucked in close to the body to deny opponents access, both on single targets and multiples at staggered ranges. That humble pie? I ate it all, licked the pan and I ain't ashamed - because I'm a better shooter for it.

Beg, borrow, or rent a laser-sighted handgun and try these easy convincers, shooting without laser first, then with laser on: At 25 yards in very low light with a two-hand hold, go for rapid doubles on two targets several yards apart, coming back to the first target for a finisher. Use the best tritium night-sights if you care to. Then, try shooting one-hand, strong-hand in low light, backing rapidly away from your target starting at seven yards, while clutching a stuffed seabag or boxing heavy-bag with your left, to simulate dragging a panic-stricken or wounded person. Finally, engage a moving target, any speed, with multiple shots in low light. Now let's blast some bunkum about lasers.

Mangling Myths

The red light from your laser makes you an easier target. For me, this was a huge personal obstacle. I used to shoot people who gave me any kind of downrange signature. But generally, I didn't know where they were until they gave themselves away. In actual tests in varying levels of darkness, I had to conclude the presence of that red light had little or no effect on acquisition of target. If you see 'em - or they see you - the laser is virtually a non-issue.
I've had people point to the red beam in illustrations and say it would be easy to track it to its source. That red beam is drawn in those photos, folks. Under most circumstances, the beam is invisible; only the source and target surface are lit. Smoke, fog, and dust can cause a trace, but note, the laser punches through very well.

You will neglect your iron sights and become dependent on the laser and a blithering idiot. I simply didn't find that to be the case. Skills well instilled remain instilled - the laser simply added to target acquisition, and target retention during movement. Once on-target, it's natural to focus forward on the laser-dotted target, and that's perfectly fine - in fact, you have a net gain. Typically, you wind up changing the angle of your head about one-half inch, focusing over your sights rather than through them.

Switching a laser sight "on" costs valuable time. Nope. For example, the LaserMax unit on a Glock is switched "on" by tapping the slide-lock sideways, from left or right side. It falls naturally under the trigger finger as your "index" is coming out of a holster. The Crimson Trace grips on a 1911 go "on" with a pressure-switch as you grasp the piece - given the master switch is on, which it should be whenever the handgun is not in storage. Note - this does not cause battery drain.

They're no good in bright daylight! And what if the batteries go dead? Well, duh ... Actually, the laser does work in daylight; it's just not as distinct. The batteries are long-life, running about four hours "constant-on" time and a year-plus life. And, like everything else about your weapon systems, they should be checked regularly. If batts go dead when you're in a typical on-target position, drop your head a half-inch. Done deal. Laser sights are not a replacement for iron sights, they're a complement.

Straight Scoop

The psychological advantage of a laser is incontestable. I've seen it, and documentation is thick. Many crooks get mouthy again - and dangerous - after they've been put on the ground. Place a laser-dot next to their noggins where peripheral vision picks it up, and they stay convinced.
You can significantly reduce your exposure from behind cover, horizontal or vertical, by using a laser versus iron sights. Less is better, and more survivable.
Ever tried to look around one side of cover and shoot accurately from the other side? It can only be done with a laser.
When you're wounded, panicked, shell-shocked, flattened, a laser sight can save your life. Simple as that. If you're a member of the Wild (Bifocal) Bunch, they're de rigueur.
Lasers may not belong on all your handguns. But they belong on every one you pack in public or on duty, and the one in your hand when you check what went bump in the night - absolutely.

So ... Which One?
I know you're going to ask, so I'll put it up front: Which is better, LaserMax or Crimson Trace? It's not a valid question. It's not even "apples and oranges." It's more like Royal Gala versus Macintosh apples. Both produce high-quality, durable units. Both have extremely low rates of return and warranty claims, and indications are, most of those are due to dead batteries, switches in the "off" position, and user tampering. Both have extraordinarily loyal customers.

I've talked to users who prefer LaserMax units because they're all concealed neatly inside the guide-rod tube. Others prefer Crimson Trace grips because nothing "foreign" goes inside the works of the pistol. Crimson Trace fans like the fact the laser only comes "on" when the pressure switch is depressed, and you can stage it on and off by slightly changing grip pressure. LaserMax loyalists appreciate the beam staying on once the switch is tapped, then not having to worry about possible changes in grip pressure.
LaserMax units put out a rapidly-pulsating beam, and their users love it. They say the pulsing dot is more easily distinguishable, and also helps conserve battery life. Others find a pulsing beam distracting, and prefer Crimson Trace's steady beam.

I slapped a set of Crimson Trace grips on a 1911, and popped a LaserMax unit into a Glock 17 in virtually the same time. I'm not telling you how long, because my son beat my time, and your average Hamadryas baboon could, too. I'm mechanically challenged. It was under ten minutes, okay? I read directions slowly.

Both companies have thousands of their units deployed in Afghanistan and Iraq, and they're getting high marks from troops on the line. They also have tens of thousands of units on-line with law enforcement agencies, both domestic and foreign. So, you think I'm tryin' to wiggle out of the question?

Nope. I don't wiggle much, and when I do, it hurts. But ain't it tough sometimes, when you're faced with a choice between two highly-rated items - that accomplish the same thing? And isn't that a pretty good thing for us shooters?

Besides, I've gotta save some material for this follow-up article I'm doing. It's going to be something like, "Lasers for ADVANCED Dummies." I think I've earned that "advanced" title.

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Some interesting points made there. I'm sort of a "fence sitter" over lasers. "Yeah they might be useful for some people, just not for me." Reading that has given me an urge to try one out.
 
Well if that's the quality of writing that goes into American Cop, I'm glad I didn't send in the subscription card from the free issue they sent me.

I clicked on the link. There is no bio information on the author. Therefore we have no way to judge his credibility or verify what he wrote.

Sorry, I'll stand by my opinion that lasers are a good special purpose tool for many applications but they are not a replacement for training or iron sights.

If you can't run your gun, then you can't run your gun, and all the high speed/low drag sighting systems in the world won't compensate for that.

A jerked trigger is a miss no matter where the magic laser dot was on the target before you jerked the trigger.

If you can't present the weapon and point it at the target in the first place, you'll wave it around unsafely while you look for the dot and then shine it on the target. By this time your opponent has emptied his magazine into you, done a speed reload, and walked off to high five his buddies because he won the gunfight. The answer to that age old question; How much time do you have to win a gunfight? is still the same; The rest of your life.

I have seen too many novice shooters attach a laser to their handgun in the mistaken belief that they could buy proficiency do exactly what I described above, activate the laser on the draw, and focus on the red dot instead of the target, then wave their weapon around bringing the dot on the target. They totally forgot about the second step of the target engagement, aquire the target. Their engagement sequence was: ID the target, aquire the laser, aquire the target.

You have to ID the target, aquire the target with your weapon, either with sights or a threat focused technique...then lase the target to verify. If you look for the laser and then try to put it on the target, you're way behind.

If you can't press the trigger straight back, or master any of the other fundamentals you'll still miss.

Jeff
 
Jeff,

John Connor's small bio is on Lasermax's 2006 catalog which states he is a gun writer, trainer, and former Metro SWAT commander, but no indication of which Metro dept.

It appears he is yet another "former" law enforcement officer who has sold his former "credentials" [ whatever they may be ] for advertising fees, at least with Lasermax that I can find so far.

http://www.lasermax.com/pdf/Lasermax_Catalog06b.pdf page 15 of their 2006 catalog

Brownie
 
Well if that's the quality of writing that goes into American Cop, I'm glad I didn't send in the subscription card from the free issue they sent me.

I clicked on the link. There is no bio information on the author. Therefore we have no way to judge his credibility or verify what he wrote.

What are looking for - Shakespeare? Just because you never heard of Connor doesn't mean the man has no credibility! I would suggest a more thorough search - you'll find his credentials are in order, in spades.

I don't understand why you seem upset with this article, Connor verifies everything you said! He didn't say lasers are better than or a replacement for standard sights or that one only needs to use a laser and can then forget about other shooting skills. As he said, "skills well instilled remain instilled", he clearly indicates that a laser is no substitute for training and practice. I think the thrust of his article is that one is never too old or too good to learn and apply new methodology and technologies, as long as they aren't a substitute for, or a shortcut on, training. And that it's been his experience that once he overcame his skepticism and doubts that laser sights, much to his own amazement, have helped him become a better shooter, not that they're magic, but because he learned how to integrate them in to his skill-set and he had better-than-anticipated results.

I like Connor's writing - it's self-deprecating, to-the-point, humorous, and written with the lessons of experience.
 
I have no position on lasers since I haven't tried them.

But this statement just irks me:
It appears he is yet another "former" law enforcement officer who has sold his former "credentials" [ whatever they may be ] for advertising fees, at least with Lasermax that I can find so far.

Are all former LEO/military suppose to refuse any advertising fees even though they genuinely may like the product and have used it in the field with good results? If my brand XYZ bulletproof vest saved my life many times, I think I would endorse the product enthusiastically to others, and wouldn't mind the vest manufacturer using my quotes in their catalog and paying me for them.

I think some cynicism is healthy, but it appears your bias against lasers is clouding your judgement. Condemn the product all you want, don't condemn the person without any proof.
 
I clicked on the link. There is no bio information on the author. Therefore we have no way to judge his credibility or verify what he wrote.
John Connor is likely a pseudonym, but still he is a writer for American Cop Magazine and American Handgunner Magazine where he writes a monthly column 'Guncrank Diaries'.
American Handgunner magazine also publishes Massad Ayoob's 'Cop Talk' and Clint Smith's 'Reality Check' monthly columns. Surely they wouldn't publish bad information, considering liability, their reputation, credibility and all.

Sorry, I'll stand by my opinion that lasers are a good special purpose tool for many applications but they are not a replacement for training or iron sights.
Everyone agrees with that.
No one denies that basic handgun skills are needed in order to use a laser sight effectively.
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If a gun writer receives renumeration from a company for any reason, one is very hard pressed to think he will then write anything other than an opinion thats less than stellar.

That was Lasermax's 2006 ADVERTISING brochure he was found in after all. It would appear that if someone wasn't using their former creds [ to somehow validate their opinion on any subject ], they would not have to include them would they?

When was the last time you heard anyone state a negative opinion on a product they were getting paid to advertise for? On the contrary sir, my judgment of where the information is coming from is quite accurate.

I didn't make any comments on the product or the man, just that Mr. Connor would not make negative statements about a product he is being paid to advertise. If he did, he would not be employed by that company very long.

I'm not biased against lasers. I know where their strengths are and where their weaknesses are. Thats based on my own training. What I have a problem with is people who have less real training and real knowledge about other options available, who push the lasers of any kind, as superior to something they are not qualified to judge.

When I wrote reviews of folding knives I tested, I did not receive any consideration for doing so. I also bought 90% of the knives I tested and reviewed with my own money. The reviews and opinions of those products were not paid for by the makers of those products, so they could be objective and fair.

In the end, Mr. Connor wrote an opinion on a product he gets paid to have a pro [ vs con ] opinion on. No more or less. I still like that title of that book though :D

Brownie
 
I'm not looking for Shakespear, just a well written article

When I mentioned the quality of writing, I was referring to the article reading more like an advertisement then a serious article. It's conversational style would be more appropriate over a few beers at the local cop watering hole.

The author's style reminded me of a Blackhawk gear or Blammo Ammo ad.

From the article:
TD2 (Tweedle-Dum) hunkered up against a cashier's booth, loudly announced he was The Man In Charge, and demanded like, a million dollars, a helicopter to fly him to Cuba, champagne, new Nikes and the letter "Q" stricken from the alphabet - something like that, anyway. We replied he was in fact "The Duty Bullet-Catcher, SOL, festooned with interesting red splotz all over his head and torso, and maybe we could front him enough for a cup of coffee on his way to jail" - or the morgue. Something like that.

Hey, the TV news vans weren't on the scene yet.

This is the kind of language you might use among your peers at the range or over an adult beverage somewhere, but it's not the kind of thing you want printed in a mass market magazine. At least I don't think so...Doesn't seem very professional.

Another example:
He didn't notice those red splotz for a moment, but when he did, he freaked, backscrabbling on his butt and brushing at 'em wildly. In the process, he was moving into position to pick up several more red berries. I figured, the perimeter's secure, why not use all the lasers? The guys loved it. TD2 didn't. Especially the one that kept landing on his nose. After a brief explanation about "where the dots are, the bullets go," he selected the Coffee-and-Cuffs Option. We didn't even get to cream some canned corn for a "demo."

Let's just tell the public that we were really disappointed we didn't get to shoot any of the suspects. That will really enhance goodwill and public support for the department. If you don't believe me, I'll move this over to the Legal and Political forum and let you all see what the THR membership does to thread.

Then there is this gem:
The red light from your laser makes you an easier target. For me, this was a huge personal obstacle. I used to shoot people who gave me any kind of downrange signature.

The author used to shoot people who gave him any kind of downrange signature? What department's use of force policy permits that? Or is he referring to some unspecified military experience?

Straight Scoop

The psychological advantage of a laser is incontestable. I've seen it, and documentation is thick.

And where might we go to read this thick documentation?

Many crooks get mouthy again - and dangerous - after they've been put on the ground. Place a laser-dot next to their noggins where peripheral vision picks it up, and they stay convinced.

Again, I have to ask what departments use of force policy permits them to use the threat of deadly force on a mouthy criminal who's on the ground cuffed. It's been my personal experience that the mouth starts running after they are cuffed because they know you can't use all that much force on a suspect after he's restrained.

It's no wonder the author doesn't tell us where he worked......

Maybe my standards are too high, but I don't see the article as anything more then a Lasermax advertisement.......

Scotty Reitz, Mas Ayoob, Pat Rogers, Ken Campbell and others I could name have no problem telling their readers where they work or worked. Of course they don't write articles that could get their employer or former employer investigated.

Jeff
 
I agree that someone getting paid will only say good things. However, he could refuse to endorse a product and only endorse those that he honestly believes in and would say the same things about paid or not.

Why be so critical? It's not like a celebrity saying "Right Guard" is swell when they probably never even use it. Here is a pro with experience endorsing a product he believes in. I beleive he was USMC Force Recon in some distant past...

I like his writing style because it is different and enjoy the "elaborations" and humor, with some good nuggets of info thrown in.
 
As for the article itself,

I agree with Jeff in that lasers are not a substitute for real skill, just a tool to use with that skill. Having said that, the only reason I don't have a set of Crimson Trace or some other on my carry gun is that I don't like rubber grips. The LaserMax unit is interesting, but I'm not sure I want to start adding stuff to the innards of a working gun.
 
For the record...

Good morning all,

I just happened across this thread, and as Marketing Coordinator for LaserMax (the person responsible for media relations and creating our catalogs), I feel compelled to set the record straight.

John Connor is not employed by LaserMax, nor has he ever been compensated for any article or statement that he has written about LaserMax products. LaserMax does not USE paid spokesmen.

I find it disturbing that Mr. Connor's integrity seems to be in question because I quoted him in my catalog. I have forwarded this page to him and hope that he takes the time to post a reply.

Respectfully,
Celia, LaserMax
 
John Connor is not employed by LaserMax, nor has he ever been compensated for any article or statement that he has written about LaserMax products. LaserMax does not USE paid spokesmen.

I find it disturbing that Mr. Connor's integrity seems to be in question because I quoted him in my catalog.
Looks like Celia's got it covered. No Lasermax paid endorsements!! And that's that, Brownie!

Are public apologies in order??

I'll still add this to the discussion:

American COP Magazine: The editor, Dave Douglas, is a 30-year veteran of the streets.
Roy Huntington, editorial director, is the former editor of POLICE Magazine and a 24-year veteran cop.

They specifically state: No "Free-Lance" Non-Sworn Authors
Each issue includes articles about how to stay alive, equipment that works — and equipment that sucks

Along with feature writers John Connor, Tiger McKee (Shootrite Academy)....Clint Smith has a monthly column; Reality Check II

Surely, American Cop Mag wouldn't publish bad information about lasers considering liability, their reputation, credibility, etc.

Personally, I like John Connor's writing style and credible information.
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I have read his articles in American Handgunner and I like his humorous conversational style of writing instead of the dry "just the facts ma'am" style of most articles. He gets a lot of complaints and compliments in the letters section of the magazine for it. The last article of his I read was a very humorous examination of a tactical shooting school he attended making fun of the commando-ninja moves they endorsed.
I haven't tried lasers yet but I plan on trying a lasermax or CT (not sure which I prefer less, messing with my guide rod or changing the shape of my grip) and if it increases my speed or accuracy then great. If not, oh well. I don't think anyone would ever endorse them as a substitute for training or suggest relying on them.
 
Good morning Celia,

First, welcome to THR.

I noticed you just joined today and this was your first post. It's some coincidence that you "just happened across this thread", of all the threads and posts on THR isn't it?

I find it disturbing that Mr. Connor's integrity seems to be in question because I quoted him in my catalog

His integrity isn't in question, his comments being quoted by Lasermax in it's advertising catalog was.

Its a well established fact, based on past writers articles on other products over the years, that they are not want to write negatively about products, and particularly in this case since Lasermax spends large sums of money advertising in the American Cop magazine for which he writes a byline ans surely gets compensated for that byline.

I make that statement based on Lasermax's inside front cover full page adcopy in the November/December 2005 edition.

Mr. Connor may well like the laser products, has every right to state his opinions in his bylines at times, yet the inclusion of his comments also being quoted in Lasermax's catalog gave the appearance of yet another example of a writer supporting a product which spends considerable sums of money with that magazine in advertising space.

Are public apologies in order??

No, they are not.

They specifically state: No "Free-Lance" Non-Sworn Authors

I know thats not correct. I know one of the authors personally [ we've worked together at times ] who writes in that magazine and he has never been a "sworn" officer.

Brownie
 
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