DC One Gun Per Month Law Struck Down

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DC also claimed that the requirement helped keep their database up to date. The court rightfully countered that DC regs already required registrants to notify the city if the gun was lost, sold, or the registrants address changed, thus negating the city's argument.

IMO this was a very reasonable and well thought out decision., The odious requirements were nothing more than harassment and as the court noted, an impingement on the 2A rights of lawful gun owners.

Re-registration does not require bringing the gun back to MPDC.

from the MPDC web site:

http://mpdc.dc.gov/node/750552

And attached the existing DC regs that the court deemed sufficient so as to not require re-registration. I agree.
 

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Without suggesting the idea that it is good, the premise behind those laws is usually that people will be less likely to engage in firearms trafficking when the number of firearms that they are allowed to purchase is subject to limitations.

In Washington DC, it would be extremely difficult to traffic firearms; there is only one FFL in the district. Zoning has forced the FFL to setup shop IN the Police Department. [Corrected, 9/20/15, 9:09 am EDT; User swinokur pointed out it was IN (i.e. not next to) the Police Department ] Transfers are in the $100.00 range the city has registration and no carry. Bottom line is police know who has the “legal firearms” and they are literally few and far between. [ All this is from memory, but I doubt if it has changed much ].

chuck
 
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Ostensibly, they would claim that the purpose is to ensure that you did not unlawfully divert the firearm or at best did not fail to report it lost or stolen. Remember that the re-registration required bringing the firearm to an MPDC facility in person.

It was intended to burden owners. I live "close enough" literally and figuratively to see the DC politicians comments on local news and in the papers. The mayor of the district is a product of gun control and came out saying "I hate guns" >>> see http://patriotpost.us/posts/32316 as such you get a government who is lock step in that philosophy. If a ruling goes against DC gun control laws ... they fight to the last tax dollar of their constituents so that it does not allows widespread shall issue for residents and visitors the right to carry. BTW, DC has "may issue" for residents who demonstrate a need. Of course DC will fight and attempt delay on this latest setback.

Related: Below is a story about a DC reporter who shines light on the dysfunctional DC gun laws. She, Emily, eventually got her carry permit only because she was once a victim of a crime. A home invasion, if I recall. Most others don't get permits. http://insider.foxnews.com/2015/02/26/fox-reporter-emily-miller-beats-odds-gets-gun-permit-dc

chuck

PS: As mentioned above, I don't live in DC, I live "down river" from it.
 
The court also correctly decided that any law that limits handgun purchases could effectively ban them.

This is a very important part of the ruling IMO.
 

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Utilizing the standard of intermediate scrutiny, the D.C. court in the aforementioned case reasoned and rationalized a mandatory one-hour gun safety course was substantially in the government's interest and thereby constitutional. That gun owners can be fingerprinted and photographed and pay a fee for those services. Then the court upheld gun registration, while dismissing a requirement those guns be brought before the police be registered.

Under strict scrutiny, all four of those regulations are presumed to be unconstitutional, and the state has the burden (and expense) to prove they are necessary to achieve a compelling state interest and not a substantial interest. A regulation must also be narrowly tailored and the least restrictive means to accomplish a desired result.

Does anyone really think the District of Columbia can meet that burden should this case go further?

Let's look at just one of the four, fingerprinting and photographing compliant gun owners with in the District. The end result there is going to be a database primarily of law-abiding citizens who did the right thing. No compelling state interest here. The cops are supposed to be looking for the bad guys.



(Note SCOTUS ruled in Heller #1 Second Amendment rights are fundamental. Challenges are normally subject to strict scrutiny, which is almost always fatal to the laws in opposition. But there are exceptions, which can be found in the amicus briefs for the defendant.
 
gun_with_a_view said:
...Under strict scrutiny, all four of those regulations are presumed to be unconstitutional, and the state has the burden (and expense) to prove they are necessary to achieve a compelling state interest and not a substantial interest. A regulation must also be narrowly tailored and the least restrictive means to accomplish a desired result....
First, you are making a fundamental mistake of law. Regulations are never presumed to be unconstitutional. In fact, laws are presumed to be constitutional.

The courts give deference to legislative acts and presume statutes valid and enforceable, until unconstitutionality is determined. As the Supreme Court said in Brown v. State of Maryland, 25 U.S. 419 (1827), at 437:
...It has been truly said, that the presumption is in favour of every legislative act, and that the whole burden of proof lies on him who denies its constitutionality....

And much more recently in U.S. v Morrison, 529 U.S. 598 (2000):
...Due respect for the decisions of a coordinate branch of Government demands that we invalidate a congressional enactment only upon a plain showing that Congress has exceeded its constitutional bounds. See United States v. Lopez, 514 U.S., at 568, 577_578 (Kennedy, J., concurring); United States v. Harris, 106 U.S., at 635. With this presumption of constitutionality in mind, we turn to the question whether §13981 falls within Congress' power under Article I, §8, of the Constitution....

So in the real world a statute is valid and enforceable unless and until it is found invalid by a court having appropriate jurisdiction. You might think the law is unconstitutional, and therefore invalid, but no one cares what you think.

So it is up to the party claiming that a law is unconstitutional to at least make a prima facies showing. Only then does the government have to argue for its validity. Indeed, that process is explicitly outlined in Heller III (slip op, at 11):
...In Heller II, we adopted a two-step approach to determining the constitutionality of the District’s gun registration laws: “We ask first whether a particular provision impinges upon a right protected by the Second Amendment; if it does, then we go on to determine whether the provision passes muster under the appropriate level of constitutional scrutiny.” 670 F.3d at 1252....

Beyond that, you are assuming that the government can't make its case under strict scrutiny. While we might hope both that strict scrutiny applies and that the government's position can't satisfy the test, neither can be a foregone conclusion.

gun_with_a_view said:
...Does anyone really think the District of Columbia can meet that burden should this case go further?...
Neither you nor I can know. Your insistence that the District of Columbia will fail is, at this point, mere guess and speculation.

gun_with_a_view said:
...Let's look at just one of the four, fingerprinting and photographing compliant gun owners with in the District. The end result there is going to be a database primarily of law-abiding citizens who did the right thing. No compelling state interest here. The cops are supposed to be looking for the bad guys.....
Maybe not to you, but whether the government can make a convincing case remains to be seen.

The reality is that you're blinded by wishful thinking. We can hope for a good outcome, but it doesn't help to be so cavalier about the opposition.
 
Your insistence that the District of Columbia will fail is, at this point, mere guess and speculation.

The District will fail if a SCOTUS decision is textual. The laws will survive if the decision is political. One or two more appointments to the SCOTUS bench by Obama and SCOTUS will be a little more than another political bastion of liberalism and perversion.
 
gun_with_a_view said:
Your insistence that the District of Columbia will fail is, at this point, mere guess and speculation.

The District will fail if a SCOTUS decision is textual. The laws will survive if the decision is political. One or two more appointments to the SCOTUS bench by Obama and SCOTUS will be a little more than another political bastion of liberalism and perversion.
Phooey! You're just another "true believer" who has decided that he has a corner on the market for The Truth. You seem to think that anyone who disagrees with you is corrupt or perverted.

You're welcome to your delusions, but they are delusions and not reality. Nor does such fuzzy thinking help promote our interests in our struggles to further the RKBA. We can not afford to dismiss or underestimate our opposition.
 
SCOTUS has declined to hear several Second Amendment cases since their decisions in Heller and McDonald. They declined to hear at least one case that could have resolved Federal appeals court splits.

Has anyone checked on the appointments of the three judges who heard this case?
 
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You're welcome to your delusions, but they are delusions and not reality. Nor does such fuzzy thinking help promote our interests in our struggles to further the RKBA. We can not afford to dismiss or underestimate our opposition.

Perhaps you need to read it again:

<<<Likely the most important piece of plumbing that will need to be installed is the standard of scrutiny to be applied to gun control laws challenged under the Second Amendment. This is no small matter. As Eugene
Volokh has observed, given the many difficulties in assessing the efficacy
of gun control laws, it is enormously difficult to produce empirical support
for gun control regulations, and therefore a rigorous form of strict scrutiny,
requiring the government to demonstrate that a challenged regulation is the
essential means for achieving a compelling governmental interest, would
likely be the death knell for most gun control laws>>>

http://scholarlycommons.law.northwestern.edu/cgi/viewcontent.cgi?article=1181&context=nulr_online
 
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gun_with_a_view said:
Yes, an excellent article by educated and knowledgeable legal scholars (which you are not) discussing arguments to support the application of strict scrutiny and why it would be difficult for the government to meet the strict scrutiny test.

All that is far different from your extravagant fantasy that:
gun_with_a_view said:
The District will fail if a SCOTUS decision is textual. The laws will survive if the decision is political....
You linked to the article, and it speaks for itself. Your attempts to interpret the article for us don't help and just get things wrong.
 
Frank Ettin said:
gun_with_a_view said:
Yes, an excellent article by educated and knowledgeable legal scholars (which you are not) discussing arguments to support the application of strict scrutiny and why it would be difficult for the government to meet the strict scrutiny test.
And if anyone has actually read the article by now, he might have noticed that the article also discusses arguments as to why strict scrutiny should not apply.
 
Likely the most important piece of plumbing that will need to be installed is the standard of scrutiny to be applied to gun control laws challenged under the Second Amendment. This is no small matter. As Eugene
Volokh has observed, given the many difficulties in assessing the efficacy
of gun control laws, it is enormously difficult to produce empirical support
for gun control regulations, and therefore a rigorous form of strict scrutiny,
requiring the government to demonstrate that a challenged regulation is the
essential means for achieving a compelling governmental interest, would
likely be the death knell for most gun control laws

The logic in that quote is itself a powerful argument against strict scrutiny in the minds of many; not only if they are anti-gun inclined, but also if they do not desire to see a whole class of laws struck down. That's why getting this threshold being advocated by pro-gunners adopted as a national standard is "no small matter." There's by design a huge reluctance to stray from the status quo in these things (since that's not supposed to be the mission of legal precedent & review, right Frank?) and the strict scrutiny standard today is about as far from it as the recognition of slaves as full citizens in the 1860's. Doesn't mean it won't happen, but it'll take a lot of time (cases) or a really big push (amendment) to make it happen.

Right now, gun laws don't have to really justify themselves at all, which is why we have such a variety of largely pointless codes. Deciding that they do need to be justified to stand will be a pretty radical departure, that will employ legions of lawyers striking down 22,000 laws for generations.

TCB
 
gun_with_a_view said:
Your attempts to interpret the article for us don't help and just get things wrong.

So, I should just **** and you'll handle it?
Well let's start from the premise that bad information and specious opinions don't help anyone. And it's apparent that you don't know as much as you think you do. So perhaps you should look upon this as a learning opportunity and a clue that perhaps you need to study more and work harder at understanding the law, what you read, and what you comment on.

So let's take a closer look at the Rosenthal/Malcolm article you've been linking to. You've pointed to that article to support you view that the strict scrutiny test must apply (post 13):
Has anyone bothered to read the opinion yet?

Yes. Just another recalcitrant local federal court decision tip-toeing around the issue of scrutiny. In the instant case, the court erroneously chose the standard of evaluation to be intermediate scrutiny rather than strict scrutiny. To be overturned later on appeal.

For those who like to read deep, why strict scrutiny should apply in gun law cases, beginning on page 18:
http://scholarlycommons.law.northwestern.edu/cgi/viewcontent.cgi?article=1181&context=nulr_online

But your reliance on the article for that purpose is misplaced. The article is a debate -- a point/counter point discussion -- with Rosenthal arguing against strict scrutiny, and Malcolm arguing for strict scrutiny. So while as advocates for the RKBA we should, and we do, cheer professor Malcolm and fervently hope that her line of argument can ultimately win the day, the "take home" messages of the article must be (1) that the question is not settled; and (2) that there are arguments on the other side of the question.

barnbwt said:
Likely the most important piece of plumbing that will need to be installed is the standard of scrutiny to be applied to gun control laws challenged under the Second Amendment. ...

The logic in that quote is itself a powerful argument against strict scrutiny in the minds of many; not only if they are anti-gun inclined, but also if they do not desire to see a whole class of laws struck down. ...
The quote indeed comes from Rosenthal's section of the article, and that is exactly what he is saying -- by way of introduction to his arguments against strict scrutiny.

barnbwt said:
...There's by design a huge reluctance to stray from the status quo in these things (since that's not supposed to be the mission of legal precedent & review, right Frank?)...
It's more complicated than that, but that reluctance to strike out in new directions is related to the judicial role of deciding disputes -- not making public policy.
 
ummm?......what is the purpose of this requirement?

if my gun is already registered, what benefit is there to me having to register it again?

It would seem they want to make sure you are still in possession of the gun which is why you have to bring it (i.e. havent illegally transferred it).
 
Without suggesting the idea that it is good, the premise behind those laws is usually that people will be less likely to engage in firearms trafficking when the number of firearms that they are allowed to purchase is subject to limitations.

Anti-trafficking is a somewhat more legitimate premise than a "cool down period" for someone that already owns guns.
I endured the asinine and arbitrary waiting period of the 1990's.
 
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