Dean vs Bush on Gun Control

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I was wondering just how Dean and Bush really differ on the "control" issue(s)? This right off the Dean web site...

Sensible Gun Laws

"If you say "gun control" in Vermont, Tennessee or Colorado, people think it means taking away their hunting rifle. If you say "gun control" in New York City or Los Angeles, people are relieved at the prospect of having Uzis or illegal handguns taken off the streets. I think Vermont ought to be able to have a different set of laws than California."

Gov. Howard Dean, M.D.

Vermont has the lowest homicide rate in the United States. During my eleven years as Governor, the highest number of murders in a single year was 25 and the lowest number was 5. Over half of these were domestic assaults, and the majority were not committed with a firearm.

This leads to my belief that if you say "gun control" in Vermont, Tennessee or Colorado, people think it means taking away their hunting rifle. If you say "gun control" in New York City or Los Angeles, people are relieved at the prospect of having Uzis or illegal handguns taken off the streets. I think Vermont ought to be able to have a different set of laws than California.

I believe we should keep and enforce the federal gun laws we have - including the assault weapons ban and the Brady Bill - and close the gun show loophole using Insta-check and then let the states decide for themselves what, if any, additional gun control laws they want. Just as we resist attempts by President Bush to dictate to the states how we run our school systems and what kind of welfare programs to have, we need to resist attempts to tell states how to deal with guns beyond existing federal law.
 
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Wow! Dean supports the "assault weapon" ban, so does Bush. "Gun show loophole". I've been out of touch with the political landscape for awhile, is this the newspeak for people exercising their Constitutional rights? Can't have them doing that. Demahogs, Repiglicans...probably the only differences between them is where they buy their $900 suits. I hope they pass out air sickness bags at the polling places in 2004, vomiting in my shoe can get messy.
 
I never did like that guy. Now my suspicions are confirmed. I'm SICK of Democrats pushing the gun issue! SICK SICK SICK! Why can't they all be like Zell Miller? This is such garbage.

Ugh! They need to start a "Dems for Gun Rights" organization somewhere. They already have pink pistols, so why not?
 
Actually, I really dont think dean is pushing gun control. While he is obviously not committed to the second amendment (or really any amendment) his statements on gun control seem to be non-committal and based on the idea of leave things the way they are and let each state decide its own laws. I personally beleive he would play it the same way as dubya- support gun control in word only, not deed. While he's definetly more left than I would like, I would vote for him ahead of any other Democrat. That doesn't really say much, though. :)
 
Here is a question I ask politicians who are stumping for election.

"Name three gun laws you would repeal."

It often stumps even the "pro-RKBA" types.

Rick
 
"Name three gun laws you would repeal."
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AZRickD, you stopped me in my tracks with that one.

I believe I'd want to think about that somewhat.

Gee if you could have three gun laws repealed, which ones would they be. :D

That sounds like a good topic for a new thread.

Why don't you start one?
 
Got it! :)

1. The national firearms act of 1934

2. The 1968 Gun Control Act

3. The Assault Weapons Ban

There, How's That!:D
 
Casual shooter has my top three.

I have asked that question five or six times since about 1999 or so.

You would (or maybe you wouldn't) be surprised how difficult it is for politicians to answer that one as quickly as we would here.

Rick
 
Got it!

1. The national firearms act of 1934

2. The 1968 Gun Control Act

3. The Assault Weapons Ban

There, How's That!
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Perfect! But I think they should be repealed in reverse order.

The "Assault Weapons Ban" sunset isn't going to happen. Read Duhbyus' lips!

Dean? Or any of the Democratic Party candidates.........worse yet!

Don
 
Well, one thing that all of you are missing is that as an NRA A-rated candidate, Dean has had ample opportunity to implement these bills in Vermont but has chosen not to press the issue.

Much like our current NRA favored president also supports "Closing the gunshow loophole and renewing the assault weapon ban" but hasn't really gone out of his way to do either.

Considering the Democratic base he has to play to that will determine whether or not Dean will ever get nominated, that is about the strongest pro-gun statement you are likely to see from any Dem (compare and contrast it with the 2000 primaries where the most pro-gun Dem stance was licensing and registration of all handguns).

Its not my dream stance from either party; but it is progress.
 
Well, Zell Miller isn't running for president. I used to be a Democrat, and I have relatives who are deeply involved in the democratic party machine. In my view, the Dem party will not change its spots on firearms. Oh sure, just watch: they will ALL be Duck hunters:

http://www.newsmax.com/showinside.shtml?a=2002/6/2/213024
http://stacks.msnbc.com/news/920493.asp?cp1=1

but I do not want to see what would happen to the RKBA with a Dem moving into office in 2004 or 2008 (Condoleezza, not Hillary, please).

Let's face it; Zell Miller (or equiv) will NOT be Att. Gen. no matter which Dem becomes president! W. is no gift to us (and, neither is his Att. Gen!), that is for sure, but the people he drags behind him are going to be generally less injurious to our cause than the people that even a Howard Dean would select for various white house posts, cabinets, etc.
 
I'm not real familiar with the 68' gun control act, but I believe it made mail order ammo legal where it was illegal before.

Perhaps better ones to repeal would be the 86' or 89' import bans.
 
WonderNine....

The National Firearms act of 1934 was the Nations first major gun control act. It was passed in response to gangster activity in the prohibition era. It regulated the private ownership and transfer of machine guns, silencers and destructive devices. :(

The Gun Control Act of 1968 was the Nations second major gun control act and is presently the main federal gun law. It was passed in response to the political asassinations of President John F. Kennedy and Robert Kennedy in the 1960's. It sets up the licensing and controls on firarms manufacture, importation, distribution and sales. :fire:

Prior to the Gun Control Act of 1968, you could purchase firearms by mail from your Sears catalog or from dealors/distributors advertising in many gun magazines, for example, without having to jump through any hoops to do it. :D Those were the good old days. :cool:
 
The National Firearms act of 1934 was the Nations first major gun control act. It was passed in response to gangster activity in the prohibition era. It regulated the private ownership and transfer of machine guns, silencers and destructive devices.
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The Gun Control Act of 1968 was the Nations second major gun control act and is presently the main federal gun law. It was passed in response to the political asassinations of President John F. Kennedy and Robert Kennedy in the 1960's. It sets up the licensing and controls on firarms manufacture, importation, distribution and sales.
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Prior to the Gun Control Act of 1968, you could purchase firearms by mail from your Sears catalog or from dealors/distributors advertising in many gun magazines, for example, without having to jump through any hoops to do it. Those were the good old days.
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And crime rates were lower before all those laws.
 
Political "talk" is cheap

I will restate my oath from one year ago. "If Bush signs just one pro-gun bill or vetos just one anti-gun bill during his term of office I will vote for his re-election." "Just one"! So far it hasn't happened. :rolleyes:
 
The 68 ban also outlawed the importation of the PPK. It resulted in the creation of the PPK/S. Amazing how gun laws can spark improvements, but I wouldn't want to make it a habit.
 
There's always talk on these forums about how Bush isn't that much better than the Dem's on gun issues. Maybe, maybe not. Certainly he isn't out championing gun control, as Clinton did.

However, a significant chunk of the liberal Democrat base is for gun control. No matter what a candidate says during a campaign, he has to keep his base satisfied once elected.

So even a Howard Dean, who purports to be in favor of gun ownership, will be beholden to the Sarah Brady's of the Democrat party, just as GW must be mindful of the NRA.
 
I will restate my oath from one year ago. "If Bush signs just one pro-gun bill or vetos just one anti-gun bill during his term of office I will vote for his re-election." "Just one"! So far it hasn't happened
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At least, so far, they haven't been able to advance their agenda. Let the Dems regain control and watch how fast they start advanceing more gun control.

Like it, or not, the Republicans are generally our best bet. :banghead:
 
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