my dad wasnt much of a handgunner so i got him a hi point 9mm to learn on,i know,i know but it was in our budget at the time,plus my brother has the .45 and its been a trooper,anyway my dad had a friend offer him a s/w model 10 .38,nice blueing, with two sets of grips for the 9mm,i told him to not trip while he runs to get the hi point,i thought he did fine.i likes/w autos.