Decocker and Safety

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What semiautomatic DA/SA handguns are available that can be kept with a manual safety on and the hammer down, and have a decocker to put the hammer down?

Preferably they would have a metal frame and have the safety on the frame, but I'm interested in any.

The ones I am aware of are the USP, Beretta 92FS, and Jericho/Baby Eagle.
 
The CZ 75 BD is DA/SA with a decocker, but I'm not sure if the dococker will stay down as a safety like a Beretta 92.
 
Taurus PT92/99/100/101.

Metal frame, safety on the frame. You can engage the safety/lock the slide with the hammer down, though it's in the "middle" position in this pic. Fully down is decock. You can also leave it there if you like.
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The H&K USP has multiple variants, some of which have "cocked and locked/decocker" options, but I'm not sure if you can have the safety on with the hammer down. Someone else will have to let you know for sure.
 
What SIG has a manual safety that can be engaged with the hammer down? Besides the Mosquito? Do the SA variants of the P220/226 allow that?
 
Hardly what I would expect Arqbque has in mind, but the P238 and the crew-served P226 X-Five both have a 1911 style battery of arms.
 
Mr.Excitement said:
Hardly what I would expect Arqbque has in mind, but the P238 and the crew-served P226 X-Five both have a 1911 style battery of arms.
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Most 1911s don't allow you to put the manual safety on with the hammer down, and they don't have decockers. Which are the two criteria the OP is looking for.
 
The Ruger DA/SA service pistols do. The Bersa Thunder series also do. To clarify the terminology: decockers are usually slide-mounted, lower the hammer, and frequently double as safeties once it's down. Trigger-block safeties are frame-mounted. They are more commonly found on SA-only pistols, and on some (but not many) DA-only guns.
1Kperday's handsome Taurus (post-6) seems to incorporate the best of both types in one mechanism.
 
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On the FNP the safety can be engaged with the hammer down and also has a decocker. One of the selling points for me was the ambi safety.
 
Safety/decocker is on the slide but you can add the Beretta PX4 and the Stoeger Cougar.
 
There is not much need for a safety with the hammer down and most DA/SA pistols have automatic safety devices that prevent firing if the hammer is struck. Usually, a safety that engages with the hammer down is intended to prevent slide movement rather than act as a safety.

Jim
 
I stand corrected. I must have glazed over that detail.

If that's the case, I can't think of anything off the top of my head that hasn't been mentioned. In my experience, the Ruger P-series and Taurus PT92 are solid candidates.
 
Second the Ruger P-Series. There are de-cocker models and safety models on which the safety acts as a de-cocker, and the models with the safety even disengage the trigger. Rugged and dependable guns. They unfortunately do not make a steel or aluminum frame currently. the older p89 and 85 have the metal frames but the models that are currently in production (p345 and p95) have polymer frames and either blued or stainless steel slides.
 
If you'd like a really nice gun and don't mind it being out of production, look around for a H&K P9S

1. DA/SA - Yup, it can also be carried cocked-n-locked or cocked with the de-cocker on the draw

2. manual safety on w/hammer down - Yup, the manual safety can be applied with the hammer up or down

3. de-cocker to lower the hammer - Yup, frame mounted de-cocker lowers a cocked hammer or cocks a lowered hammer

4. metal frame - Yup, it has a metal skeleton frame covered in polymer where it contacts your hand...climate neutral

5. Safety on the frame - Well no, it is mounted on the slide, but it is easy to flick off on the draw

Besides all these features, it has a polygonal barrel and the action is roller-delayed...so it is self regulating to low and high pressure loadings
 
Third one in for the Ruger P-series pistols. Very reliable, great price, rugged, accurate...the decocker/safety is on ths slide and the frame is poly, but this gun feels great in my hands. Try and check one out if you're able.
 
FNP usgi, FNX

personally i usually carry a sig, but I prefer to have no external safties of any sort.
 
Decocker that can also function as a safety with hammer down?

Wear a belt and suspenders, too?

If you use the decocker there's no real reason for a safety -- just don't pull the trigger!!

I've honestly never really understood the perceived need for that dual-functionality.

And, were I going to need to use that weapon quickly, to engage a bad guy, I'd rather NOT -- especially with a decocker gun -- have to worry about whether there's a safety to disengage. Those extra seconds, if I had the foresight to remember, could be very costly -- and if I have to pull the trigger and then FIGURE OUT why it didn't go bang, it could take even longer!!

I have a couple of S&W 3rd Generation guns with that dual-functionality, and while I will use the decockers, I NEVER use the safeties. (If I'm going to hand the gun to someone who is unfamiliar with the S&W manual of arms, it's handed over unloaded.)
 
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Thanks guys, looks like there's quite a few options. The Bersa looks like it matches everything I was looking for, plus it is in production, inexpensive and available in different calibers and sizes. I can't imagine it is super nice at that price but if I ever get a really aesthetically nice handgun it will almost certainly be a 1911. The HKs have a really good reputation but are pricey for a plastic gun, not that that is practically a bad thing.

Can anyone with a Jericho/Baby Eagle confirm that the manual safety can be put on with hammer down?

As for why I would prefer this functionality, it's just personal preference. Having used only a 1911 safety and a P226 DA trigger, I don't think it would be too much of an imposition to have both, and I don't think it would add extra seconds or uncertainty versus a safety on a cocked gun. Plus, if you practice with the safety on and hammer down, I don't think a safety off (or nonexistent) or a hammer cocked would trip you up.

Maybe it's not warranted, but other configurations concern me with the possibility of either a manual safety being caught on something and leaving the gun unsafe or a trigger without manual safety snagging and firing. Especially with some of the methods of concealed carry I've seen.

Plus, I just like having a manual safety and leaving the hammer down in general. I know that isn't very popular, but considering how many different guns are available I don't think it's too bizarre.
 
My HK USP Compact can be carried cocked and locked, decocked, or decocked with the safety on. I love it!! :)
 
jef2015 said:
On the FNP the safety can be engaged with the hammer down and also has a decocker. One of the selling points for me was the ambi safety.
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FNP USG models only I think.

It is a frame mounted safety/decocker. The safety disengages the triggerbar.
 
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