Deer ammo for 7mm Mag??

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Mullins81

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I have recently ordered a new Savage 111 in a 7mm mag. I have never had a "modern" calibre before now, previously using cowboy calibres such as 45/70 etc. I wanted a new flat shooter for taking our Nova Scotia whitetails out in the open clear cut areas of woodland. I have always used Hornady ammo and want to keep using it but am having a hard time picking from all the different bullet weights and available bullet configurations. Can anybody explain the different bullets and their advantages and disadvantages. This rifle is a lil overkill for what im using it for but i still want a well functioning bullet,:confused:
 
The 150 grain rem. corelokt bullets that I used would blow up and cost me lots of meat. But the deer would always do the 7-Mag flop. Dead right there.
 
You'll need to balance a few things and decide which is best for you.

For wide open areas where distance is a consideration you'll want a flat shooting bullet with a high B.C. (ballistic coefficient) Think of higher as more streamlined. At 200 yards don't bother about it.

For knock down you'll want maximum energy transfer and that means rapid expansion. That is accomplished with either a hollow point or plastic tip. Since the 7mm shoots faster than most this style bullet will mushroom out at impact creating a large wound cavity. It's diameter is about double the original bullet diameter and this effectively slows the bullet down.

For minimal damage to tissue (aka dinner) you can choose a solid. It will have much less expansion than a lead core and retain nearly all of it's original weight. It will also shatter bone and continue without fragmenting.

154gr is an excellent choice for your intended purpose. The Hornady SST will be a rapid expansion style, the Interbond and Interlock will have more controlled expansion and greater weight retention. The new SuperFormance line will add a bit of velocity and save you about 1" of bullet drop at 400yds.

Hope this helps.
 
In my old savage I only shot two bullets. 162 gr amax and 140gr barnes ttsx. The 160s are good for muley and elk the 140 gr are good for everything. If your loading the 162s you can get right at 3000fps the 140s at about 3200. Try rl 22 at about 64-65gr
 
Personally, I would go with a controlled expansion bullet of 139-140gr such as the Hornady Interbond or new GMX, Nosler Accubond, Partition or Etip, Barnes TSX/tipped TSX, etc. I don't own a 7mag, but others that do have told me that standard cup and core and ballistic tip bullets are too explosive at shorter ranges and make a big mess at 7mag velocities. If you are pretty sure that all shots will be at ranges over, say 200 or maybe 250 yards, than standard bullets should be fine I'd think. The 139-140gr weight is excellent on deer in my two 7mm-08 rifles and should be a flat shooter out of the 7mag.
 
ok thats good to know, my shots could range anywhere from 50 yards to 200 so im looking for something to be a good "all around" bullet. What one of the boxes of ammo I looked at said something about "moly" on the side....what is this?
 
A few:cool: years ago, I shot an antelope at 90 yards running from 4 to 10 and me at 6. The round hit in front of the left hip and exited behind the front shoulder. He ran out of my sight. 7MM mag, 140 gr handload. Everything was mush inside.
I went to Wyoming to out do my boss who had shot one at 500 yards.
The 7MM Mag on deer is almost over kill.
 
First, a 7 mag isn't over kill for deer...period.

Moly is a type of coating on the bullet and IMO is a marketing tool for consumers. It isn't going to be more accurate or more devastating. You probably noticed them on the Winchester Supreme ammo box.

Guys say an excellent bullet should expand. Some will say you want a bullet that will make a full pass through. Some disagree with that opinion. The bottom line is, you want a bullet that is going to expand through the animal. This leaves two holes for blood and tears more and more tissue all the way through the exit hole. That is the quickest way to kill anything.

I've shot all of the listed below and they are all worthy of hunting big game, but my favorite is the GMX. As bpl said, controlled expansion is an effective way to down game.

Barnes TSX
Barnes TTSX
Barnes MRX
Nosler E-Tip
Hornady GMX
 
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These aren't Hornady but I figured I'd share my luck with the ammo I've used.

I haven't hit anything, other than targets, with my 7mm Rem Mag but I keep data on all the ammo I use in my guns. The sample size is rather small.

Thus far with my TC Encore Pro Hunter I've had the following results:

Total Rounds: 106

26x Winchester Super X 150g PP (So far the most accurate and no issues)
20x Fusion 150g
20x Remington Core-lokt 150g psp r7mm2 (1 misfire and 1 Round had a hole in the case near the primer where gas exited)
40x Remington Core-lokt 140g psp r7mm4 (1 misfire)

Here is a link to the picture of the case: http://dl.dropbox.com/u/7948969/case.jpg
 
If you want to use hornady, pick any bullet of 139 or heavier, dosent matter what on deer. Ive killed some deer with 120grns at almost 3400fps, a number of which were at less then 50yds. I normaly go with 139grn SST handloaded with max charge of imr4831 or 4350(cause they are easy to get, i want to try RL22) for the added penetration and thump.
Unless your shooting animals that are 300lbs or more i doubt youll need a premium bullet...and no i dont think you need to be able to shoot from stern to stem or visa versa. If you ARE going to shoot a critter in the butt, its better to break the spine at the base of the tail.

I am going to be trying a new load with 162grn amaxs or Bergers just to see how they do.

oh also MOLY is usualy used on target loads, you may or maynot want to avoid those. Ive hever had an issue with shooting deer with target bullets, but i know some people who are so adament against it that i have to wonder if they might not be on to something.
 
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I have been shooting the Hornady SST 139gr heavy magnum loads sents they came out. My rifle happens to love them . Now the supermax is the replcement round. I have shot deer at 20feet to right at 400 yards and allways had great results with the bullet. They are molly coated . They are not a "target "load, just happen to fly well and kill well.
 
Generations of 7mmMaggie users have been doing just fine on deer with the standard 139/140-grain bullets. Whichever brand gives you the best groups is probably about as good as it will get. After that, it's all about shot placement: Avoid the eating part.
 
The moly is use to help reduce friction in your barrel. I've never noticed any accuracy difference between them and regular bullets, just your fingers get black from handleing them. I've shot two deer with my 162gr amax and they didn't take a step. One weas at right at 300 and the other was 450yrd. If you want a good bullet to use then try the sierra gameking, I've never used it but most will say its the most accurate out of there gun. The most accurate out of both of the 7mm I've owned were barnes 140 ttsx bullets within half grain of max load.
 
The 7mm Rem Mag is an excellent big game cartridge and should serve you well.

I can't say I am surprised by the amount of light bullet advocates here. The 7mm Rem Mag has a reputation as a fast, flat cartridge, and some people like to take advantage of that by sticking to the lighter, faster loads. However, I don't agree with this choice and believe the heavier rounds have several advantages that deserve your consideration.

If I was going to go with a 130 to 150 gr bullet, I wouldn't have even considered the 7mm Rem Mag and would have just stuck with the .270 Win. I tend to prefer heavy for caliber bullets in most things, and one of the deciding factors in me picking the 7mm Rem Mag was the ability to find those streamlined 160+ gr projectiles. There are two primary reasons for this. First, if your hunting is anything like my hunting in Western MT, the terrain might provide you the occasional opprotunity to shoot out past 300 yards, but the vast majority of your shots on game are still going to come inside half that distance, sometimes considerably more so. At these ranges, lighter expanding projectiles tend to be more explosive in nature. Because of this, they tend to destroy more meat, and there is more of an associated risk of the bullet coming apart and failing to penetrate adequately. I am of the persuasion that exit holes are a good thing, esp since I hunt elk with the same rifle and load that I hunt deer with, and any load that can't consistently exit the body of a deer from any angle at any range isn't much of an elk load. The 160 gr loads may not have the screaming muzzle velocities that manufactures like to brag about, but as a result, they tend to have more consistent and reliable performance at closer ranges, with less of a risk of coming completely apart and failing to penetrate. And they tend to damage less meat, in my experience. And while you may be able to find lighter premium bullets that will hold together without fragmenting, these bullets tend to be much more expensive. Going with a heavier bullet at a slightly slower velocity allows you to fill your freezer without emptying your wallet as much, because you don't have to splurge on a super premium projectile to get reliable game killing performance at a variety of ranges.

And when the opprotunity for a longer shot presents itself, assuming the shooter is up to the task, the heavier for caliber bullets again have more to offer. Given two bullets of the same caliber and construction, generally the heavier projectile will be longer, and because of this, will tend to have a higher BC. For example, Hornady lists the BC of the 139 gr .284 caliber SST as .486. The 162 gr SST in the same caliber is given a BC of .550. This is of little consequence at normal ranges, however, it becomes increasingly important as you get downrange. Here's the provided exterior ballistics data for two relevant 7mm Rem Mag factory loads from Hornady's Superformance line (load (muzzle vel in fps/muzzle energy in foot pounds) (500 yard vel/energy) 500 yard drop with 200 yard zero:

139 gr SST Hornady Superformance (3240/3239) (2293/1622) -32"
162 gr SST Hornady Superformance (3030/2933) (2219/1772) -35.7"

While a lot is made of trajectory, I don't think a few inches in trajectory matter all that much. Esp with effective and reliable rangefinders and bullet drop compensators becoming more available, a few inches either way is of little consequence in the field. You have to get out and practice with your load to learn its trajectory anyways.

You should notice that while the 139 gr load starts with a 200+ fps advantage in velocity, this initial advantage has dropped to well under 100 fps by the time it reaches 500 yards downrange. That is the superior BC of the heavier projectile at work. Note that while the lighter load has an initial advantage in energy as well, the heavier load has actually overtaken it by over 100 foot pounds at 500 yards. The higher BC of the heavier projectile also gives it slightly less wind drift (about an inch less @ 500 yards with a 10 mph full value crosswind, according to my exterior ballistics software).

So long story short, I think either of the Hornady 162 gr SST loads should be about ideal. Compared to the lighter loads, this load can be expected to provide more consistent performance with less meat damage and better penetration at close ranges and more energy and "thump" downrange on longer shots.
 
I've owned my 7mag since 1977. I've handloaded 139-140 grain ammo for it up until a natural disaster took my home and equipment. I now use Hornady 139gr Heavy Magnum. I think it's been renamed "Superperformance" or something like that now. It works great in mine producing under 1.5" groups at 200 yds. Your milage may vary.
 
I'm gong to second what many of the previous posters have said, stick with a bullet somewhere around 140 grains. They are plenty for deer, even the big-bodied Canadain deer.

Since you are not going to reload, do what Art Eatman said and get a variety to test for accuracy. There may be a big difference in the accuracy of a particular combination in your rifle. Knowing that the bullet is going to hit where the cross hairs are pointing is a bigger factor than the marginal difference in bullet performance.
 
For hunting deer there's really no reason to use an expensive "premium" bullet. The old stand-bys like Winchester Power Point and Remington Core Lokt will kill them just as dead as the more expensive ammo. Save the good stuff for hard to kill animals, not for deer. (IMO of course)
 
i remember my ex- stepfather having black talons on his remington 700. 7mag. he had that and some other specialty rounds on a cheek piece. but used those to bring home good meat.
 
Find what your gun likes best - anything in the 140, 150, or 160 gr area will work just fine for distance on deer. MY 700 likes Nosler 140 and 160, but it's most accurate shooting is with a Sierra 160 SPBT. For hunting accuracy (3 shots at 1 to 1.25 MOA) it would put any loading I created with Speer, Sierra or Nosler into that size.

IMO, the 7 really shines when you handload - you might consider that as an option down the road
 
instead of a lightweight, reduced recoil round, go ahead and handload the heaviest 7mm bullet you can find down to 2800 fps mv. This way you are good to go in wooded areas and can take a long shot in open terrain if you have to, but nonetheless practice with these rounds!!
 
My 7MM Rem Mag likes 160gr Nosler Accubonds. Tried the lighter rounds and the 162gr Hornady SST. Always came back to the Accubonds.
 
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