Deer season over, with a lot of firsts! (long read)

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As the title states deer season is over here in Alabama. I wasn't as successful as I would've liked, but I was able to bag me a big doe this past Friday. I am a relatively new hunter w/ only 3 years experience of serious hunting. I had a long time friend and a co-worker, that are very experienced hunters take me under their wing to give advice and help me all along the way.

I am forever grateful for their help and I hope that one day I can pass on the knowledge I've gained to someone else to keep the tradition going. As I said I have been seriously deer hunting for the last 3 years. I was successful in my first year and bagged me a big mature doe. At 28yrs old shot my first deer.:what: That story can be found here...http://www.thehighroad.org/showthread.php?t=736207

Last year I ended my second year of deer hunting empty handed, but it was a great year as my wife got her first deer. I however, never got to pull the trigger so my season ended empty handed.

Fast forward to this year and although it wasn't as successful as I'd had liked it was a great year and I sure did learn alot and several first time experiences...
This year was the first time I've had a deer "blow" at me. When it happened I had no idea what it was as I never saw a deer, it scared the crap out of me honestly.

This 3rd year was the first time I have ever seen an owl in the wild...WOW what a beautiful creature, just wish those dang blue jays would have left him alone. He eventually flew off and I never saw him again.

This first is gonna be hard to believe guys, but I am just gonna come out and say it. I saw a black panther! I was sitting in a stand one evening watching a crossing along a barb wire fence that deer will use and come up the hill right towards me. All of a sudden I saw a very large animal that looked walked and acted just like a cat. The tail was as long as its body, I saw it for 3-4 seconds at around 100 yards away, by the time I realized what I was looking at it was gone. Never to be seen again.

This other first for me was a bang/flop on the doe that I shot. The area I was hunting was pretty thick. I had to watch her in my scope for several minuted till she finally gave me a good shot to the vitals. I am proud of myself as I was a cool as ice and kept all my emotions under control (for now). Distance was 117yds and I hit her right at the base of the neck clipping the point of the shoulder. The bullet went on to hit the offside lung and came to rest just under the skin on the offside. The deer never took another step. I shot her with a 7mm 120gr Nosler Ballistic Tip at an estimated 2750fps. WHOA seeing that deer fall like made me just like a lil child that can't sit still. I was literally shaking and couldn't get myself under control. I got "buck fever" on a doe :D Thankfully it was after I had pulled the trigger.

So there was my year firsts, Hope you guys enjoy reading it as much as I enjoyed experiencing it. CHEERS!!! Here is to next year.

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Congrats! As I read about your experiences I found my mind wandering back to a lot of my own "firsts". I started hunting when I was in my early to mid-20's so I know where you're at.

The first time a deer blows at you it can definitely surprise you...especially if you've never seen or heard of that before. I once had 10 or 12 start blowing all around me...sounded like a horror movie.

Keep telling us the stories...love to hear them!
 
Thanks GSPN I had never heard a deer "blow" before. It definitely surprised me and it was early in the morning pitch black. Couldn't see my hand in front of me.
 
It's neat because the more you go, the more you learn. Then, next season, you'll be able to use the lessons learned previously. Eventually you'll start to figure out what the deer will do before they do it.
 
Congrats on your deer and excellent experiences. It looks like the cup and core completely separated on your recovered bullet, if so, that's not good.
 
Nice write up, and it sounds like a good year for you.

This first is gonna be hard to believe guys, but I am just gonna come out and say it. I saw a black panther!

Nope, no problem at all. In the 70's I corresponded with a researcher in Ohio that was collecting info on black panther sightings in the U.S. He relayed to me about the one in La Crosse county, WI that was just a few miles from my house and a friend and I saw one at night in Indiana while driving through to Ohio. We had just stopped at a backroad gas station and the owner had a picture on the cash register of his dad with one he'd shot in the 60's, in Indiana. Not as large as the asian strain, but no way in heck was it a house cat, unless house cats have 3-4 ft long bodies... Not 10 miles down the road (2 lane back highway) we saw one standing on the side of the road...

(sorry, don't want to hijack this thread...)
 
Cougars with a lot of melanin can be a very dark, dark brown such that it's quite easy to think, "Black panther!"

A fair number of cougars in Brewster County, Texas. There were regular sightings of a couple of "blackies" back in the 1980s for several years.
 
Welcome to the addiction. It's all down hill from here. Soon you'll have that thought in the back of your mind, elk can't be all that much harder and they live in pretty country.
 
Stiab, yes there was jacket seperation. I don't know how or why it happened, I didn't find copper or lead shrapnel. I "feel" like the bullet did OK and I prefer exits, but when they go less than 5ft. I don't really care the bullet expended 100% of its energy and she went DOWN!
 
I "feel" like the bullet did OK

Apparently the deer feels the same way!

Cup and core bullet separate all the time. I've shot probably 80 or 90 deer with them. I'd say they come apart more often than not. Most of the time on double lung shots I find a trail of lead nuggets through the lungs and a copper jacket on the far side...and the lungs get turned to jelly. I've not lost a single deer that was shot with one, whether the jacket separated or not.

I've weighed several of them...they tend to show an average of 30% weight retention (from a small sample size of perhaps 10 that I kept and weighed). This is with a 7mm mag shooting 140 to 150 grain bullets at ranges from 50 to 300 yards. The average doe around here is probably 90 to 110 lbs, with an average buck in the 145 to 165 lb range with a few I've shot going well over 200 lbs.

Someone on this board once wrote that cup-and-core bullets are like a box of chocolates with regard to performance...you never know what you're going to get. Meaning that sometimes they come apart and sometimes they don't. I thought it was a nice way to summarize it.

If the bullet is killing deer for you, no worries. If you need more penetration, or if you want to maximize your odds of a hole in both sides, maybe you get a different bullet. Not a lot of magic to it.
 
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Thanks for the insight GSPN. I don't exactly have a large data pool. As I've only killed 2 deer but of the 2 I shot this cup and core Ballistic Tip dropped the deer faster than the bonded Accubond I used on my first deer. I did harvest both deer and neither went very far. Plus my rifle shoots those bullets very well and unless I start losing deer I see no reason to change.
 
I "feel" like the bullet did OK
I know you do, but hopefully at some point you will have opportunities at bucks and other deer that are 50% bigger than this one, and in those cases you will be better served by a bullet that does not separate on a smaller deer. I've recovered many bullets from deer, but never seen one like that. Good luck in your future hunts!.
 
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Bullet performance wise, cup and core separation is very common with Balistic Tips. I've had it happen with 200 grainers out of a 338-06 on a spike elk at 60 yards. Also watched a guy put 3 into a nice 4 x 4 mule deer at 200 yards. He was shooting a 300 win and using 180's, all three copper jackets were found on the off side under the hide. For deer, it doesn't bother me to have that happen as they'll normally drop where their hit from taking all that energy. My 243 normally drops deer where they stand, with my 280ai they normally run 50 yards. That's a difference between a bullet that comes apart and one that stays together though.

If you want something in between a Balistic Tip that comes apart very easily and the Accubond that may be a little tougher than you want at the lower velocity, try some Interlocks. They're a great bullet at non magnum velocities.
 
I'm definitely not (repeat, NOT) a bullet expert!

But the one hog I shot using an AR-15 was with a Nosler Partition bullet, which I recovered.

That bullet (which weighed only 60 grains) had a somewhat small lead portion, which separated from the rest of the bullet. However, I felt the bullet, in that case at least, had performed well.

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I'm not sure how relevant this is, but the fact that the bullet separated didn't bother me. Maybe it should have, but at present I'm too ignorant to understand why. Not being smart-@$$, probably just showing my lack of knowledge regarding bullets.
 
I'm not sure how relevant this is, but the fact that the bullet separated didn't bother me. Maybe it should have, but at present I'm too ignorant to understand why.
It has to do with getting better penetration when the bullet stays together, including a second hole to bleed thru if necessary for tracking. On deer and other animals the size of the doe the OP shot it often will not matter. But we have some 170+ lb. bucks at my place, and I need the bullets to stay together.
 
Yup I wasn't even a twinkle in my dad's eye in the 70's...Jim did you not see the pic of me lol I get 21-23 all the time. I am 30 so I suppose I am pretty young by most of the guys on this forum. Nothing wrong with that though. I learn alot by listening and reading what older people have to say.
 
Wait till you get a cow elk to pound her foot as she walks into you. They get mad at things they can't explain. Just stand still and wait till they walk into the open.
 
Yup I wasn't even a twinkle in my dad's eye in the 70's...Jim did you not see the pic of me lol I get 21-23 all the time. I am 30 so I suppose I am pretty young by most of the guys on this forum. Nothing wrong with that though. I learn alot by listening and reading what older people have to say.
You are fortunate to have mentors to learn from. I had to learn from books and magazine's, and let me tell you because someone got a magazine byline or published a book does NOT mean they know what they are talking about.
 
I have not had a deer blow, but once sitting in pitch black before sunrise, I heard a bear shuffling around and huffing too close to me as far as I was concerned. I began to wonder who was the hunter and who was the hunted?
 
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