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defense shotgun rounds for modified choke?
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Pattern board would reveal which brands of various loadings.
Personally - across the board - The old standard 2 3/4" Fed 9 pellet 00 buck and 1 oz slugs work well.
I have used a number of bone stock shotguns and am fond of 28" bbls, as you know back in the days of fixed choked barrels, 26" was IC, 28" was Mod, and 30" was Full.
I always ran / run the Fed loads in my 28" guns and any gun no matter what-still prefer those loads...I prefer slugs if the truth be known.
Personally - across the board - The old standard 2 3/4" Fed 9 pellet 00 buck and 1 oz slugs work well.
I have used a number of bone stock shotguns and am fond of 28" bbls, as you know back in the days of fixed choked barrels, 26" was IC, 28" was Mod, and 30" was Full.
I always ran / run the Fed loads in my 28" guns and any gun no matter what-still prefer those loads...I prefer slugs if the truth be known.
Fred Fuller
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pezo,
"Best" is a pretty difficult thing to attain, and with ammunition it's likely to be a moving target as companies change their loads and components over time. Not to mention that nasty phrase, "It depends... ." It depends on the gun, the gauge, its weight overall, how well it fits you and other variables. The length of the barrel and its choke matters less than a lot of other things, as long as your defensive plan involves bunkering down in the dark with some light available outside the door of your safe room, and not going out on a single-handed house clearing spree.
You'll need to think about who else is in the house with you and what would happen to your projectiles if you missed your intended target, or if your load penetrated the target through-and-through. How close are the neighbors and what barriers are between you- or can be put between you on the inside or outside- in case something exits your house?
I'd suggest (as a minimum for a 12 ga.) a full house load of 00 buckshot as a basis of comparison. No, not a 3" magnum or even a 2.75" magnum, but a good standard load like Federal Premium (stock #P154 00), 9 hard alloy copper plated 00 pellets at just over 1300 FPS. There are low recoil or reduced recoil loads available from various manufacturers, of course, and some people do better shooting those- but personally I'd rather have a standard velocity load. The reduced recoil comes at the cost of somewhat lower payload velocity and thus potential reduced penetration also.
Yes, there are smaller shot sizes available, and some people prefer them for various reasons. I'm not one who does, I'd rather arrange things so as not to have to worry too much about "overpenetration" and use a load more likely to be effective in turning off the threat. Yes, #4 buck or larger sized birdshot or even light target loads of #8s have been lethal at close range to humans in the past- and no doubt will continue to be. But the chances of an immediate stop are better (though still not 100% by any means) with larger buckshot, because of its increased penetration and therefore increased ability to cause tissue damage.
I'd suggest taking a look at http://www.firearmstactical.com/briefs7.htm while you are in the process of making up your mind about what defensive load to use. Or if you're really serious, call Paladin and order a copy of the full report, now freshly released to the public for the first time, in time for 20th anniversary of the shootout it covers- see http://www.paladin-press.com/detail.aspx?ID=1355 . Of course there's no guarantee that whoever kicks in your door at oh-dark-thirty is going to be the equivalent of Michael Platt.
But there's no guarantee he won't be either...
Stay safe,
lpl/nc
"Best" is a pretty difficult thing to attain, and with ammunition it's likely to be a moving target as companies change their loads and components over time. Not to mention that nasty phrase, "It depends... ." It depends on the gun, the gauge, its weight overall, how well it fits you and other variables. The length of the barrel and its choke matters less than a lot of other things, as long as your defensive plan involves bunkering down in the dark with some light available outside the door of your safe room, and not going out on a single-handed house clearing spree.
You'll need to think about who else is in the house with you and what would happen to your projectiles if you missed your intended target, or if your load penetrated the target through-and-through. How close are the neighbors and what barriers are between you- or can be put between you on the inside or outside- in case something exits your house?
I'd suggest (as a minimum for a 12 ga.) a full house load of 00 buckshot as a basis of comparison. No, not a 3" magnum or even a 2.75" magnum, but a good standard load like Federal Premium (stock #P154 00), 9 hard alloy copper plated 00 pellets at just over 1300 FPS. There are low recoil or reduced recoil loads available from various manufacturers, of course, and some people do better shooting those- but personally I'd rather have a standard velocity load. The reduced recoil comes at the cost of somewhat lower payload velocity and thus potential reduced penetration also.
Yes, there are smaller shot sizes available, and some people prefer them for various reasons. I'm not one who does, I'd rather arrange things so as not to have to worry too much about "overpenetration" and use a load more likely to be effective in turning off the threat. Yes, #4 buck or larger sized birdshot or even light target loads of #8s have been lethal at close range to humans in the past- and no doubt will continue to be. But the chances of an immediate stop are better (though still not 100% by any means) with larger buckshot, because of its increased penetration and therefore increased ability to cause tissue damage.
I'd suggest taking a look at http://www.firearmstactical.com/briefs7.htm while you are in the process of making up your mind about what defensive load to use. Or if you're really serious, call Paladin and order a copy of the full report, now freshly released to the public for the first time, in time for 20th anniversary of the shootout it covers- see http://www.paladin-press.com/detail.aspx?ID=1355 . Of course there's no guarantee that whoever kicks in your door at oh-dark-thirty is going to be the equivalent of Michael Platt.
But there's no guarantee he won't be either...
Stay safe,
lpl/nc
EVERY shotgun/barrel/load is a law unto itself. The "Patterning Board" is your best friend in the pursuit of "best {insert name of intended use here} load".
Cases in point...MY Maverick 88 with the 18-1/2" cylinder bore barrel likes the PMC brand of standard power slug best, and Rem 3"Mag #4 Buck in pellet loads. Shooting buddy with the same setup finds his likes the Rem 'Sluggers' and Fed #1 Buck.
Buy a small box (5 or 10) of as many different brands and loads as you can find locally, then go have some 'bang-up' fun. Find what works best for YOUR gun, then buy a bushel-basket full of them. {Why I have 250 PMC slugs...bought ALL that were on the shelf, and 200 of the #4Buck}
Cases in point...MY Maverick 88 with the 18-1/2" cylinder bore barrel likes the PMC brand of standard power slug best, and Rem 3"Mag #4 Buck in pellet loads. Shooting buddy with the same setup finds his likes the Rem 'Sluggers' and Fed #1 Buck.
Buy a small box (5 or 10) of as many different brands and loads as you can find locally, then go have some 'bang-up' fun. Find what works best for YOUR gun, then buy a bushel-basket full of them. {Why I have 250 PMC slugs...bought ALL that were on the shelf, and 200 of the #4Buck}
bpisler
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I've had great results with the managed recoil
8 pellet load from remington.In my 870 with a
mod choke i could keep all of the buckshot in
a 7" circle at 15 yards.Surprisingly wolf 00
buck shot almost as well as the remington
loads at half the price.
8 pellet load from remington.In my 870 with a
mod choke i could keep all of the buckshot in
a 7" circle at 15 yards.Surprisingly wolf 00
buck shot almost as well as the remington
loads at half the price.
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