Demystifying the gun (my Nephew and Niece are beginning to ask questions)

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Recently, I've noticed that my nephew (6 years old) and niece (5 years old) have started to notice my firearms, they're kept out of reach, and locked with trigger locks, and the ammo is hidden away in an old Army ammo can

When they visit, they usually ask some firearms questions, last weekend, Logan asked "what's that gun with the knob sticking out of the side, what's that knob for?" (Mosin-Nagant M-44)
So, before I took the gun out to show him, we discussed the Four Rules and why they're important, why they should be followed *at all times*, I made him repeat the rules back to me and explain what he thought they meant, he got every one of them right, he's a smart kid, he probably tests two grades higher than he's in....

anyway, once I was satisfied he understood the rules and the importance of those rules, I took the gun out, removed the trigger lock, and showed it to him, he kept a respectful distance from the gun, not out of fear, but out of respect, I showed him what the knob was for, and how the bolt-action worked, I let him lift the gun, to feel it's weight, and explained it's long history, once he was satisfied, I put the lock back on, and put the gun back into the rack.

I then went into the ammo box, brought out a box of ammo, and showed him a live cartridge, as well as a fired cartridge, I then asked him if he could guess how far that bullet could travel if nothing stopped it, he was absolutely amazed, and said "so that's why you have to know what's behind your target, what happens if you miss?"

I treated the gun as thoroughly mundane and boring, like any other dangerous tool, in fact I told him it was no different than any other dangerous tool, a tool that must be respected

I didn't show him the bayonet, as he didn't ask about it, and it'd probably have gotten him all hyper anyway, but if he did ask, i'd show him, downplaying it just like I did the gun itself

he then asked what the other guns were, and how they were different (Ruger 10/22, and Mossberg 500), we talked about the differences between pump-action and semiautomatic, he did ask if I had any handguns, I told him I had two, but they were locked away, we could look at them later, if his parents okayed it

Tonight, Logan and Sage and I were playing some videogames (GameCube - Godzilla; Destroy All Monsters) (Dreamcast - Sega Tennis, Sonic Adventure) (PS2 - Burnout 3, Katamari Damacy, Atari Anthology), after the gaming, Logan picked up my spare 3-9X scope, thinking it was a spotting scope, he picked it up, looked through it, and was perplexed by the crosshairs....

"there's two lines through this thing"
yep, those are called crosshairs, they show you where the bullet will go...
"so, you put the crosshairs on what you want to hit?"
exactly, very good
"it looks like the one you have on that gun there (pointing to the 10/22)"
yep, that's a spare scope for my other .22
"neat, what happens if you look through it the wrong way"
everything gets really small
<he looks through the scope and starts giggling>
"yeah, everything looks so far away!"

So, the next question is...
assuming his parents are okay with it, how do I introduce him to safe target shooting, the three ideas I have are;

1; start him off on my Tippmann Custom 98 paintball marker, treat it as a single-shot, load one paintball at a time, it gets him accustomed to holding a rifle, trigger discipline, sight picture, and if he does have an accidental discharge, the chances of injury are much lower than a conventional airgun or firearm, plus, it has the visual appeal of seeing a big splodge of paint appearing on the target

2; start him off on my NEF single-shot .22 with CCI CB Long primer rounds, no recoil, and almost silent report, the hammer falling makes more noise than the round firing

3; start him off on the gun *I* learned on, an Ithaca Model 49 single-shot with the aforementioned CCI CB Longs

either way, he's learning on a single-shot whatever it may be, that's how I learned, and it taught me well, especially the principle of making every shot count

any other advice on demystifying the gun for a pair of inquisitive kids?
 
paintball first? nonsense. start him off with the .22
a paintball gun doesnt look, feel, or act like a gun. a .22 has very little recoil and next to no noise with subsonics and is perfect for teaching a new shooter. i would start off with one round at a time though...
 
You've done a great job so far. I appreciate your efforts.

I say skip the paintball gun, unless that's what he WANTS to shoot first. A single-shot .22 is very easy to understand for a young guy, and there's not really anything that could go wrong, assuming you're kneeling down, coaching him along.

Your point about exploding paintballs is a good one, however, and I would suggest some reactive targets of some sort to up the fun factor.

As far as the .22s go, I would probably let him shoot both, using the opportunity to point out other differences in design. He seems interested in how things work anyway.

If you don't intend to hand the Ithaca down to a little guy of your own, I'd start your nephew on that one. If he ends up becoming a lifelong gun owner, I'm sure it would mean the world to him to have and cherish his uncle's rifle, the first gun he ever shot.

Just start slow and don't give him the chance to make an error until you're 100% sure he's "got it". Have fun! I wish I had a little buddy to teach. :)
 
A yoot size 22LR single shot with CBs would be (is) my suggestion. That's what I got for my young'uns.

The keys are that the weapon be youth-sized and that you go shooting in a place/time that allows you to be alone. Shooting at a public range with lots of other shooters is WAY too intimidating, the first couple of times.
 
The traditional responses to your question are .22 single shot rifle or "BB" gun.
There are advantages to each route and which you choose sort of depends which you have a safe place to shoot with.
In a rural setting I'd suggest the .22 while in a suburban/urban environment I'd go with a good quality "BB"/pellet rifle.

Regardless, make sure you get a rifle sized to them so they're comfortable learning.



Paintball isn't a good idea.
 
paintball first
I am inclined toward an air gun of some sort, but that was not one of the choices.

There is still some risk of developmental issues from lead ingestion or inhalation at their age so I am thinking wait a few years.
 
MacTech,

Thank you for passing forward, you are doing fine.

Keep in mind I am coming from an "adopted uncle" role/perspective.

What do you think about getting a copy of Eddie Eagle?
While I do not agree 100% with EE, some kids really "get into it" and the lessons are fun, and they stick.

I am in agreement with a youth single shot .22 rifle, and personally am partial to .22 short.

First things I do, is to shoot a can of tomato juice, with a .22 short. Just a visual reminder of how "that wittle ctg/bullet is dangerous, and that is why we have four wules".

I also get into this "whole firearm shindig, and its neat" bit.

I let kids handle and shoot a variety of kid sized guns for "fit", not just stock size, also MOA for littler hands and fingers.

Plus, some kids get into older guns, so finding a good used one, and the whole bit of cleaning it up, ironing dents out, and even some refinishing and stain , finish is "pretty special" and "cool".

Others get into new guns. My experience with girls, are girls not into pink.
*chuckle*
I have had one little girl go nuts over pink, and then she promptly had to stick a NASCAR sticker on it.

Again this "adopted uncle bit" ...

Some older guns have been painted, and...err...if you do 70's era tie dye, be prepared to do some T shirts and fray some hems on the end of jeans.

[I am just a big kid, as are some parents and grandparents, we have more fun than the kids]

Cartridge Holders.

We take an unfinished wooden box, from the hobby/craft store, with brass hinges and make this special.

It is a safety thing, for us adults as much as the kids.
We do this two ways:
1. We do up nice ones and sometimes have a little brass plate engraved with name or initials.
2. Kids get to refinish these any way they want. This is more quality time with adults.

Two sets of Five holes are drilled for Ten holes total . Keeping in mind .22 short, little fingers and hands.

Safety again.
"Five new ctgs go on this side, and when I shoot and run the bolt, the case goes on this side".

We do a Buddy system when we shoot, so this is easy for the adult to know the kids has five rounds, and we can keep up with a kid and their rounds.

The kids really get into this safety feature they do. Sure, they drop a ctg, or spent casing, and they will raise a hand, and then the firing line is stopped.

Bolt is pulled, left open, and the ctg is back in the box. Some got into to using a "flag" so we did some "chamber flags".

Still safely, that ctg /casing is found, then firing line is hot again.

Adults give out 5 rounds at a time.

Bigger kids we have done 10, and 25 round boxes the same way.


What else....

Oh, Beretta makes the kids shooting glasses the kids go nuts over.
The Beretta store has some other neat stuff the mom's like as well.
So...new kids start out , and really work hard to prove responsible to get some "Beretta Glasses" and "other stuff please!"


Tin cans, fruit and all is neat..still...

Spinner Targets of their very own, has been a big deal to some kids.
We suggest the ones with 3 circles of different sizes, and with the metal base.
The metal base works better than just the metal sticking into the ground as the ground can be too hard, or soft.

Now sticker and targets are expected...
IME the spray can of paint is "so much more cooler".
Sometimes the kid actually gets some yellow/pink,/white/ orange/ and "its neon watermelon don't you know", paint on the target.

[kidding. the kids focus so hard in hitting so they can paint it again].

Safety of course, with Fun always and this new to guns bit, being a whole dealie, and not just "gun", "bullets" and "shooting".


Re:Safety

I started something and others started doing this. I get a Blue water pistol for a "Safety" or "Training Gun". I show this to kids, and show them it has had holes drilled so it will not hold water.
This is not a toy, but a "training gun, just like adults use".

Now I and later I and others would do Eddie Eagle or our own kids bit, and have this gun.

I have had it placed in the bathroom when the kids were paying attention and during a break had a little girl enter the bathroom, walk right back out, "There is a gun in there and I gotta pee really bad, I need an adult...Hurry!"

So , parents, aunts, uncles, grandparents and myself would have these Blue Training guns, and leave them out and these kids will not touch it, they will get an adult.
I have left one in my truck, and had a kid and mom get something and that kid will have mom deal with it.
Leave one on a firing line before kids arrive, and every time a kid(s) will let us adults know.

Moms have left them in utensil drawer, and the kid is to set the table, and they call for mom...etc.


Seriously, I feel safer around some five year olds with guns than I do with many older adults with guns.

I/We adults, allow the kids to be the adults and test us.

Yes, I have had to "stop, don't touch, and get an adult" because a Blue Training Gun was in a recliner.

A 3 year old was the adult.
That 3 year old was watching me...and watching me really close.
She is the one that got permission from mom to put it in the chair to test me.
Her mom was then called to "get it".


Kids are not dumb, instead very smart, they are curious, and they want to be a part of what big people do.
Treat a kid like a "big people" - at their level of understanding - and a lot mystery is removed, and these kids come up just fine and dandy.

A little girl will cry, so happy she got to help refinishing an old gun, and making her box.
Then for her B-Day, she got some Beretta Shooting glasses.

I was sent some by Will and this young lady got a pair. She was so proud and happy...she just cried, and hugged them and so careful with them.
Damn near broke my neck hugging my neck...
 
I'd start with a bb gun then upgrade to a 22.

Reason being, you can observe his/her actions with a bb gun.
(See if they are being safe, responsible and respectful with it)...

I began to allow my son, at around 10 I think it was,
to walk the property alone with his bb gun.
(I was satisfied at this point he knew the 'safety' aspects)...
Eventually he did what many may do at his age with bb guns.
He shot a bird.
He saw first hand the power the tool he wielded could do.
He cried and was remorseful for taking that life un-necessarily.
He's NEVER shot at or killed another living creature since.

That told me grasshopper was ready to move to the next level
as he learned the emotional lesson you just can't fully explain
in training sessions.
 
I trained all 3 of my kids at 4 years of age on shooting a .22 pistol. They have been out of the nest for quite a few years but never had an accident and knew what a gun could do.
Regretfull they could care less about guns...so when I am gone.
 
My girlfriends 4yr old daughter is curious and really wants to go shooting, I got a BB gun to teach her with until I can actually take her shooting. I have a 23" Winchester model 60 .22 (bolt action single shot, .22 s/l/lr) that I let the kids use. Light, simple to use, extreeeemely accurate, short(er) youth sized stock, overall it's the perfect rifle for the kids to shoot. For the money (won in a $2 bet back in the mid 30's by my great uncle), you can't beat it.

Start em off with a decent bb/pellet gun or a .22... no paintball guns.
 
I started with a Daisy BB gun as a kid, and worked up to a .22 in the Boy Scouts. I went up from there on my own.

Another good option would be Air Soft - it is a 6mm plastic BB.
 
Okay, so the Tippmann is out then, it comes down to either the Ithaca or the NEF, the NEF is a tad quieter due to the heavy, solid breech

I also like the idea of shooting a can of tomato paste/sauce or a container of tomato juice (maybe one of those little 6 Oz cans of V8, I just hate to waste perfectly good V8 juice

Maybe a bottle (or can) of Mountain Dew Code Red (shaken up of course) the red color will reinforce the "blood" effect

I also may consider using a coconut as well, as it's got a hard shell (vaguely analogous to the human skull) to show what the "lowly" .22 will do

Paintballs taped to the target can be a good, cheap reactive target...

the first step though is gauging Logan and Sage's maturity level, Sage is still probably too young, but Logan is old enough, it just comes down to how mature he is, they both get hyper and wound up easily.....

actually, the first step is okaying the whole thing with my sister first, they're her kids, and she has the final say

My current passive technique works just fine right now, have them see me carrying around my .22 rifle when plinking in the field, or have them see me cleaning/maintaining my guns, treat them as normal and thoroughly unremarkable tools, not "cool" or "scary" objects of desire
 
MacTech
Sounds like you got it going on.

The Tippmann isn't necessarily out.
If it seems to spark attention, go with that 'spark'.

The idea is to show them how to safely use any weapon.
 
If they get excited easily (they're kids after all), I might start them off on a static paper target. Once they understand the sights, muzzle control, etc. THEN move to the fun reactive targets.

I can just see a kid, shooting a gun for the first time, and something blows up. He'll get way to excited and muzzle flash everybody within eyeshot.

Start off sort of "boring" like you implied.
 
Right.

Winchester .22 single shot bolt action Model 67A.

A classic youth gun.

For either shorts or longs.

My Dad used tin cans for targets - they make a very

Satisfying sound and ruckus when you hit one.

You can set them on the ground or hang them from string.

We also used paint can lids hung from string,

When I was introduced to the old Colt .22 Official Police revolver.

He started me off between five and six years of age,

And sawed off the stock of that rifle to fit me.

Years later I added the sawed off part back on.

Now I'm looking forward to sawing the stock off again

In about 5 years, for #1 grandson.

The gun cabinet was always unlocked, but the way he trained me,

There was a very strict chain of custody involved

With taking a gun out to shoot.

We never messed with the gun cabinet, unless it was for business.


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