Byron Quick said:
No. The Bolsheviks were members of the Communist Party who took part in the Revolution in 1917...and received a state pension for their status. Members who joined the Communist Party after the Revolution were not accorded the status of Bolsheviks by the Soviet Union nor by any historians of whom I am aware.
Well, strictly speaking, the "Jews" who seem to be making the most noise about people like Irving are about as Jewish as
bacon sandwiches. Bolshevism has been a universally accepted term when referring to
Soviet Communism. And it has been Soviet Communism - it's leadership and army of thugs - that have incarcerated, tortured, murdered and stolen over a span of perhaps more than thirty years.
With impunity.
Granted, there are living Communists who are mass murderers. The toll was much more than 30 million from what I've read. However, I am not aware of any mass purges after Stalin's death in 1953. Really, I'm not aware of any mass executions for some years before his death. However, just figure from his death...say the KGB hired on some young officers at 22 years of age in 1953 and they became mass murderers. Any that are still alive are 75 years old now. Given the state of medical care in the country, there probably are very few.
Certainly there are living Communists who are mass murderers. But Paul Volcker hasn't made a special trip to find all the gold they stole from their victims and squirreled away in secret places.
Yes, I believe it was much more than 30m as well. But you see; one can objectively challenge the numbers here - whereas in the trademarked story, one must not even suggest contrary (unless of course you
increase them) less one be declared and maybe prosecuted as a "denier".
Neither am I aware of any post Stalin purges. I do not recall any mass purges by the Nazis after 1945 either; yet it was still imperative that any and everyone assist with the Nuernberg trials. And - with funding if required - the identifying, tracking down, capture and prosecution of all those known or believed to have been murdering, torturing, stealing Nazis,
which continues through the present.
Not so concerning murdering, torturing and stealing Bolsheviks, Communists, Stalinists - or whichever name you prefer. Neither for any actions during the 1920s through WW2, nor post WW2 Europe to include Germany, Ukraine etc. Nor surviving heirs. No Hollywood films telling their story, or stirring up the reviews.
However, I view that situation much as I view the man who shot my uncle in the back. He was a member of a politically powerful family and there were two trials. Both ended in hung juries and the DA gave up. If I'm face to face with the man, I'll keep a close eye on him and let him leave in peace. My uncle had two sons. They've chosen to let it ride. I abide by their choice.
Ah, but it was
our public purse here in the United States that paid for the Nuerenberg trials, and much of the
ongoing investigation etc. This story has also seemingly been used to great geo-political gain in many areas, again during which huge amounts of money have been taken out of our public purse.
So personally, I can not quite look upon this as a somewhat distanced third party. The money is still being milked today - and we are in the process of once again being shoved into another costly war.
There are survivors of the murdered in Russia. They are not attempting to obtain justice of any kind that I am aware of. I'm willing to do what I can to help if they choose to do so. As long as they let it ride...I'll let it ride.
And what are the chances of Hollywood making an movie at least once a year which presses all the right buttons concerning the massacre in the Katyn forest? Or the life of Alexander Solzhenitsyn? Or for that matter anyone who has survived - or the relatives of - those murdered by the Red Chinese?
Are you suggesting that if they "lobbied Congress" - or "called CNN" - that Congress would actually do anything? Or CNN would run a month long series in order to get enough public attention? Is Larry King going to call the State Department and ask them to release an accountable figure on the number of requests from foreign citizens who have asked for action on their behalf over the last 85 years? How about the "U.N."? Are those thugs going to speak up?
Right
You chose to focus on the side (and irrelevant) issue of who is a Bolshevik. You ignored the fact that there has never been a mechanism or an opportunity for our government to 'seek justice' on Communists of the Soviet Union or of the People's Republic of China.
I haven't ignored anything.
Everyone knows good and well there is "no mechanism". It is not because enough people in former Soviet Russia and China wouldn't want it; it is that our government is not about to do it, and it is no secret
why.
We had Germany occupied when we held the war crime trials in Nuremberg. We could hold war crime trials for the Russian and Chinese Communists, I suppose. Just don't be heartbroken when no one shows up.
I see, so in one sentence you suggest I have a narrow focus on Bolsheviks - now you imply that when the subject is Nazis the focus is limited to the Nueremberg trials.
What about all the
Soviet and Chinese mass murders, torturers, thieves etc living in this country, Canada, Germany etc? Are they
immune from an international court that is currently giving Slobodan Milosec and his friends the once over?
What about those who merely assisted Soviet and Chinese mass murderers? Aid and abetted them? Banked their looted billions?
Your analogy goes way beyond the fallacy of comparing apples and oranges.
Anyone can play dumb. The fact is one story has become a
religion - a
crime to even
question or challenge.
The others, two that are significantly greater, as if they
do not exist.
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