Design an infantry rifle for the Civil War

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Me, personally, I'd forgo the firearms and focus on training and tactics. Just bringing back a half dozen modern military discipline books would likely do wonders.
The tactics of the day were tied to the span of control.

FM 100-5 is almost completely inappropriate to an environment where there are NO radios. Span of control where the most sophisticated communications device is the telegraph is extremely limited.

On a Civil War, nevermind a Napoleonic, battlefield when an element marches over a hill, or through a cloud of powdersmoke, it essentially disappears from the face of the earth.
 
I'd go back to 1860 carrying a single shot Liberator pistol, shot Lincoln in the damn head and solved a hundred years of strife and suffering.
I'd go back to 1860 carrying my Model 29-2, shoot you in the head with a round of Winchester white box .44 Magnum, and make sure that Lincoln was able to end two hundred years of degeneracy and oppression. Of course they'd probably have to replace the carpet and wallpaper... :neener:
 
Radio

Gentlemen,

Most people think that Marconi invented radio. That is not true, he advanced it and commercialized it.

Primitive radio was invented by an American named Loomis and the technology existed at the time of the Civil War. Loomis used a form of "spark transmission" that basically sent out a burst of static into the air. Using a telegraph key and morse code, the static bursts could be made into words. It covered a very wide spectrum of frequency. The static burst could be detected by a receiving apparatus miles away. "Spark" was used by the Titanic radiomen. It was outlawed at about the time of WWI because it caused too much interference, being so wideband.

Some info about Loomis is here...

http://www.qsl.net/km5kg/marconi.htm
 
easy!!

Using technology and tooling available at the time...

The 1866 Henry Rifle with a firing a 44-40 (rimfire) cartridge, launching a 200 grain bullet at about 1400 FPS from the 20 inch rifle barrel. Every soldier would have a repeater. This rifle would be devistating on Federal troops massed in formation or exposed in a skirmish line.

Prudent application of artillery would break up fortified and covered positions. The only real change I'd make to is would be a bayonet mount.

Any takers?
 
mpmarty said:
I’d go back to 1860 carrying a single shot Liberator pistol, shot Lincoln in the damn head and solved a hundred years of strife and suffering.

You know, if the South hadn’t been so damned eager to start shooting, there might not have been a war.

~G. Fink
 
I'd probably bring back the knowledge for modern powders, and the knowledge to make (say) a 1903 and optics, on the cheap (or as much as could be done - they didn't have electricity yet, afterall).
Wouldn't that be an easy fix? Take some copper wire and some magnets and such...
 
no one else thinks the ak47 would be a good choice?

The AK-47 would be great if you were just sending thousands of them back in time, like in Guns of the South. As a design to be built with 1860s steel and tooling in quantities suitable for equipping an army, I think it's too ambitious.

The best choices will probably be based on designs not more than 20-30 years in advance of the state-of-the-art.
 
Ditto th Martini-Henry for general infantry use, with a carbine version with a leather shell holder for use by calvary. Also would introduce the top-break in .38 special.
Oh, for you that would have killed Lincoln, I would have gone back and made a 21-shot Henry in .22 short and shot you 21 times.
 
no one else thinks the ak47 would be a good choice?
A rifle without ammunition is just a funny looking club.

There were NO practical smokeless propellants at the time. A smallbore automatic weapon firing black powder becomes a club VERY quickly.

Single shot (or even repeating) largebore blackpowder rifles required no technology which did not already exist in 1860. Smallbore automatic weapons require a technology which did not yet exist, and which must exist on a MASSIVE scale to support them.

The only reason why the Union Army was not equipped wholesale with breechloading rifles like the Allin, Berdan, Martini or Mauser was because the people in charge of procurement didn't WANT them. By the time idiots like Ripley were kicked over the side, the war's conclusion was no longer in doubt. Unfortunately, a LOT of people died who might otherwise not have, had the Confederate Army been decisively defeated early on through technological means which the South could not have hoped to duplicate.
 
Heh. Given my knowledge of physics, I'd be pretty dangerous in such a situation.

I'd teach some modern chemistry, physics, and metallurgy.

Smokeless powder is a no-brainer, of course. Improved cartridge-based, magazine-fed rifles would be handy, but that requires a massive production effort. If that is too difficult, some improvement might be obtained by simply using a cast Spitzer bullet with a rifled barrel instead of round ball ammunition.

More useful perhaps would be producing a smaller number of more useful devices.

A little primer on electricity and magnetism go a long way... Maxwell's equations, 30 years early? Simple crystal radio receivers are easy to produce in quantity. Transmitters require more work, but are still possible. Good communications are essential to modern tactics.

Now we get to the fun stuff... internal combustion engines and aircraft. It was difficult for the Wright brothers only because the principles were not well known. It's just a little basic thermodynamics and fluid dynamics. Build a couple small, light planes using cloth covered wood frames and small piston engines. Add a radio, and you have aerial reconnaissance. This doesn't even require the industrial base, as only a few aircraft are needed. (Did they have balloon reconnaissance at the time?)

The artillery of the day was primitive, IIRC in no small part due to primitive explosives technology and metallurgy. Better artillery would blunt an attack long before rifle range is reached. It isn't difficult to make RDX. :evil: Proximity fuses are too difficult, but a simple contact fuse on a stand-off mount would work fine. Again, a Spitzer shell would improve range; did they have rifled artillery at the time?

Add man-portable tube-fired weapons. Mortars, rockets/RPGs, etc. would have been easy enough to make given improved explosives and metallurgy.

Finally: machine guns. :evil: They're more difficult to produce compared to bolt-action rifles, but you don't need to make too many... a few hundred perhaps. A simple and basic design (probably recoil operated) is best. This requires a supply of decent quality cartridge ammunition; I'd put resources towards making machine guns and ammo rather than trying to re-equip every soldier with a bolt-action rifle.
 
Finally: machine guns. They're more difficult to produce compared to bolt-action rifles
Just barely.

A gun like the Schwarzlose is pretty easy to make and will work [at least for a while] with largebore blackpowder cartridges. The Maxim was designed for the sort of ammunition that would have been easy to produce during the Civil War. The gun was just harder to make.
 
some improvement might be obtained by simply using a cast Spitzer bullet with a rifled barrel instead of round ball ammunition.
They were using the minie ball during the 1860s. Otherwise they'd still be using muskets. The bullet expanded when fired, engaging the rifling; beforehand, it was enough smaller that it could be dropped down the barrel much like in a musket. It increased your stand-off range to 200-300 yards, versus the 50-100 that a musket was good for. Getting a better ballistic coefficient might be hard though.

Some explaination of long range artillery, and picric acid--which is used in leather tanning--was the first high explosive filler.

Smokeless takes the guns to handle it. You can't just start loading BP rifles with it. Perhaps some sort of mix to keep the pressure spike down, but it'd be of limited use, though when you start putting out your breech-loaders, you could switch over then.

Optics are an interesting idea, though while they made their presence known, there were few long range snipers at the time. Some even had primitive optical scopes.

Don't forget that even now it takes years to work a new system in. Back then, while things were simpler, by the time you're getting breech-loaders with magazines firing smokeless loads with better bullets, the rifled muskets have already won the war. Tactics can do more sooner, provided you can pound the insight into the officers' heads.
 
'Brigadier-General Ripley" is the name of the gentlman I was trying to recall. Corruption or incompetency... either ones, I personally believe he is somewhat responsible for the horrendous loss of life.

MPMARTY... your comment was beyond poor taste. Despicable. Even if you did not agree with the man's policies, murder is NEVER an answer.
 
Why is it that every time we have a civil war thread we have to advocate the murder of a former US President(Lincoln) or if not that, then the murder of a former US Army officer(Lee, Davis, Grant)? That's pretty tasteless and doesn't really hold to the "high road" IMO.
 
"Why is it that every time we have a civil war thread we have to advocate the murder of a former US President"
'Cause some folks think that wiping out Lincoln or Davis would've saved the country several thousand dead on both sides.

Now, if either side thought the killing of their boss-man was due to the other side, chances are that they'd just be madder than before. "Filled with a terrible resolve" and all that.
 
Just had another interesting idea. How about something similar to the Street Sweeper Shot gun? No complicated technology that did not exist. Everything you need is fully available in the North, maybe the south also.

A simple rotary wheel shot gun shooting rifled slugs and/or buck shot. Range is limited but you make up for it with different tactics and volume of firepower and mixing in rifles for supporting fire. The gun likely could be mass produced cheaply also. Developing effective shotgun rounds would also be much easier than centerfire rifle rounds.

Give it to your shock troops and defenders and you could have a field day.
 
actually, while the murder of the president seems tasteless, it is pretty much along the same lines as what we Americans did in the revolutionary war. We shot the officers. We'd have shot the king if our bullets would have gone that far.
 
Why is it that every time we have a civil war thread we have to advocate the murder of a former US President(Lincoln) or if not that, then the murder of a former US Army officer(Lee, Davis, Grant)? That's pretty tasteless

Advocating the murder of millions of draftees and civilians as a way of settling disputes between political/industrial interests is somewhat lacking in taste as well.
 
1. Union army gets short pointy sticks and hardtack rations.

2. Confederates get M-16s, Cobra gunships, and a good caterer for the field.

3. Free all the slaves on the condition that they move up north and stay
there. We should have learned to pick our own cotton anyway.
 
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