Detonics Gladiator .45 C2
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Pretty spendy for a "derringer".
https://www.kentaurguns.com/czechgun-gladiator-cal--45-scp-professional/
https://www.detonics.com/en/products/pistols-2
https://www.kentaurguns.com/czechgun-gladiator-cal--45-scp-professional/
https://www.detonics.com/en/products/pistols-2
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Yeah, those were the two sites that I found as well. You are correct about it costing a pretty penny $450+
I just thought it seemed interesting and was wondering if anyone has had hands on with it.
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I see there's a lot of youtube videos about it,
One shows a velocity chart, with a high of 168 m/s which equals 554 FPS.
It also shows how dirty it can get after firing.
One shows a velocity chart, with a high of 168 m/s which equals 554 FPS.
It also shows how dirty it can get after firing.
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554 FPS? I would have to pass on that, lol. That is a little to weak for what it's design purpose is.
Thanks for sharing that video.
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The velocity chart lists the bullet weight of 13 grams which is 200 grains.
That's the projectile chronographed at 554 FPS.
It can probably shoot RB's faster but doesn't list any.
That's the projectile chronographed at 554 FPS.
It can probably shoot RB's faster but doesn't list any.
expat_alaska
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With the short barrels, I doubt one could expect much more with RB. I suspect quite a bit of the powder charge is unburned.
kBob
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and yet the old .44 Bull Dog with a 170 grain bullet at 460 fps
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the old .45 Webley for Bull Dogs with a 230 grain bullet at 550 fps were considered adequate in their day...
still a lot of money for what you get
beats not having a gun when you really need one, I suppose
Get some of the BP folks to do some Gel shots at that velocity....
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the old .45 Webley for Bull Dogs with a 230 grain bullet at 550 fps were considered adequate in their day...
still a lot of money for what you get
beats not having a gun when you really need one, I suppose
Get some of the BP folks to do some Gel shots at that velocity....
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What's the point of this, other than something cool? There are similarly sized derringers that fire cartridges. Is this for someone who can't own a pistol or something?
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I am assuming so. I don't know the laws in the Czech Republic but its design is to be a safe modern black powder pistol that you can carry
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I believe that black powder guns can be purchased and carried with either no or a very easily acquired license. It's not too hard to get a carry permit there, though, and just carry a regular gun.
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There are many places around the old rock where citizens are not allowed to own cartridge firearms. Other places where it’s prohibitively difficult to acquire them.
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Hmmm... increase the barrel length by 1” and it’s still pretty darn concealable, mv with a 225 grain wide flat point might get over 600 and that would be something I wouldn’t care to catch with my t-shirt...
and apparently they make a .500 version as well and it will hit 700 fps with a 300 grain REAL bullet over triple seven. That’s a real stopper.
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My problem is it looks modern, uses modern materials but really provides no advantage in performance compared to older traditional designs that have much more appeal to me due to having classic antique looks and feel. In fact a lot of the more classic good looking cap and ball revolvers are way better performers. If I wanted a short barrel pocket gun I would much rather get a classic beautiful looking cap and ball derringer type pistol instead. For black powder the barrel is too short but a least the classic antiques have that old fashion appeal to them.
I would opt for a Glock 26 (baby glock) with a standard 15 round stick for reloading instead if a small self defense pistol is the purpose.
This Gladiator pistol seems to be a step backwards when it comes to modern pistols and even antique pistols (OK the Gladiator is a double action with shrouded hammer/striker ? I'll give it that.. too bad the Italians don't make replicas of the Adams double action revolver and it's smaller clones.) I still would be very scared to bet my life on a 2 shot derringer of any kind let alone one with such low power.
If it could handle smokeless with pistol or shotgun primers it would have adequate punch but it's still a modern made 2 shot short range derringer in a world where you can get better performing multi shot pocket pistols in .380 and up.
I just don't see this as the high powered scoped inline rifle (for people who like to cheat during historical muzzleloading hunting season) version of the pocket pistol muzzleloading world. It might be fun for recreation but please don't bet your life on something like this.
I would opt for a Glock 26 (baby glock) with a standard 15 round stick for reloading instead if a small self defense pistol is the purpose.
This Gladiator pistol seems to be a step backwards when it comes to modern pistols and even antique pistols (OK the Gladiator is a double action with shrouded hammer/striker ? I'll give it that.. too bad the Italians don't make replicas of the Adams double action revolver and it's smaller clones.) I still would be very scared to bet my life on a 2 shot derringer of any kind let alone one with such low power.
If it could handle smokeless with pistol or shotgun primers it would have adequate punch but it's still a modern made 2 shot short range derringer in a world where you can get better performing multi shot pocket pistols in .380 and up.
I just don't see this as the high powered scoped inline rifle (for people who like to cheat during historical muzzleloading hunting season) version of the pocket pistol muzzleloading world. It might be fun for recreation but please don't bet your life on something like this.
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As previously stated we are pretty sure that this is for the individual who may not be able to obtain a modern firearm. Also this gun is supposed to be very safe to carry unlike some other bp guns.
I don't know. In a lot of States once you load and carry those things they are considered firearms under the law. I would not be surprised if it's the same or even worse legally in other parts of the world.
In NYC even having the loading components (powder, primers, and caps) around turns it into a handgun under the law requiring a pistol permit.
In NYC even having the loading components (powder, primers, and caps) around turns it into a handgun under the law requiring a pistol permit.
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Cobray Leinad made a double barrel black powder .45 derringer.
For a lot less money it holds as much powder as could be desired.
They also made a single shot version that uses a 209 primer and has a push button safety.
For a lot less money it holds as much powder as could be desired.
They also made a single shot version that uses a 209 primer and has a push button safety.
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I have never seen those before, thanks for sharing.
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A couple of points. The .500 Gladiator is much more concealable than a same caliber side by side double barrel or any other .50 caliber weapon available, not to mention the only comparably concealable revolver would be a .31 five shooter. Hmmm 5 shots of .31 round ball at 700 fps vs. 2 shots of .50 caliber 300 grain R.E.A.L. bullets at 650 fps... or 2 shots of 240 grain R.E.A.L. at 600 fps. Again, these weapons were designed for defensive use in areas that have restricted cartridge firearm ownership or possibly for use by people otherwise unable to own modern firearms.
There’s at least one member of this forum who is vocally in the latter group. Personally, I’m of the opinion that if society trusts a person to walk freely among the greater society, then that person should have the right and the means of self defense just the same as any other citizen.
There’s at least one member of this forum who is vocally in the latter group. Personally, I’m of the opinion that if society trusts a person to walk freely among the greater society, then that person should have the right and the means of self defense just the same as any other citizen.
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The Gladiator I could conceal in my jeans pocket. I could possibly try to stuff that Diablo down the front of my jeans but it would print. (And I’d probably get asked out on dates a lot...)
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I think I'd rather get a 6 shot pepper box, in .36 and double up on the .375 projectiles, and deliver 160 grains of lead, 6 times. For a mere $210...or better yet, carry a brace of these things for the same price as the derringer....,
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The main complaint I have with any revolver, except the Kimber, is that they don’t conceal easily. I used to carry a Chief’s Special and in winter a 3” M65 and even though I’m a rather large human, they were challenging to conceal. Flat is where it’s at. A dehorned single stack is a wonder. Anyone carrying concealed needs to put that first, otherwise, make it a full-size fighing pistol. For these purposes, blackpowder, legally in places moderns are not, an 1860 would work to perfection.
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Guys look at the size of the thing. Lots of you “I’d rather get a....” are suggesting pistols that are 2 or 3 or 4 times the size and weight.
like someone mentions the LCP for a cool pocket gun and people saying I’d rather pocket carry a 5” 1911... or better yet a desert eagle.
like someone mentions the LCP for a cool pocket gun and people saying I’d rather pocket carry a 5” 1911... or better yet a desert eagle.
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For those suggesting modern firearms you might want to review the parameters of the discussion.... it obviously needs to be for the person who for whatever reason cannot use a modern firearm. I'd use my American Derringer in .45 ACP, but that's not correct for this section on the forum....
THEN look at the performance you get from that derringer's load.
That's 136 ft.lbs. from that 200 grain, single projectile.IF you must trust your defense to a caplock pistol, there's a 50/50 chance that one of your chambers will fail to fire. With that derringer, then you're down to one chamber. ( I'd be down to 4.) I'd rather be launching as I wrote, two projectiles for each shot and have five shots and an empty chamber. With EACH of the pair of .375 round ball delivering the same 136 ft.lbs. at impact.
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