Dies for 30-06?

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Which dies would you recommend among RCBS, Hornady and Lee? The Lee is a lot cheaper and the factory crimp is included but is it worth the money?

I use RCBS and Hornady for my pistols and I haven't try Lee yet.
Your thoughts please.

What is the difference between Lee Pacesetter dies and Deluxe Rifle sizing die set? Which one is better?

TIA,
vega
 
If I remember correctly, the Pacesetter set comes with a Full-length size sie, a seat/crimp die, and a factory crimp die. The Deluxe set takes away the factory crimp die and adds a collet neck sizing die. The neck sizing die only resizes the case neck (duh). Neck resizing results in more accurate ammunition (that's what they tell me anyway) and eliminates the need for lubrication. A case that is neck sized must have been previously fired in the same gun for which it is being reloaded (that's why you still need the full-lengther--for new brass or brass fired in a different gun). The applicability of factory crimp dies and neck sizing dies tends toward mutual exclusion, but if in doubt you can always get the Deluxe set and a separate factory crimp die (often for less than many other brands' two die sets). For my needs, Lee dies are an excellent value. I use them pretty much exclusively.
 
I've used both RCBS and Lee dies in .30-06. The primary differences:

--Lee dies furnish a shell holder with the price of the dies; RCBS doesn't.

--Lee dies (Pacesetter) come in a set of three; RCBS generally provides two dies to a set.

--Finish is pretty good on both dies, with RCBS holding perhaps a slight edge. I prefer the RCBS retaining nut over the Lee rubber washer.

--Lee dies come with a throw-away powder dipper; RCBS do not.

--Lee dies are furnished with a loading chart for many verious types of bullets and powders. RCBS do not.

The both do an excellent job of loading cartridges. You spend your money and you make your choice.
 
I've yet to find a bad thing to say about any company's reloading dies.

The only slightly problematic point about Lee is that they tend to be shorter than those made by other companies, so fitting them in some presses can occasionally be kind of iffy.

I reload almost all of my handgun ammo with Lee dies and am very happy with them.
 
The only slightly problematic point about Lee is that they tend to be shorter than those made by other companies, so fitting them in some presses can occasionally be kind of iffy.

Mike, I think they addressed this problem recently by threading the their dies higher on the die body.

Vega, I got a set of Lee Pacesetter in 30-06 for chirstmas have only loaded a 100 rounds with them so far. Seem to be excellent dies
 
Okay form the horses mouth..

Lee Dies of current manufacture have longer threads than previously manufactured dies. This was done for those who prefer to use our dies in other brands of presses that have thicker tool heads, turrets or castings. Unfortunately, we can't guarantee that the die will work with all brands of presses as far as length. The die bodies are standard 7/8 x 14 threads and will thread into any industry standard press.

Dies of older manufacture had threads which measured 1.75" while current dies have threads of 1.95". This measurement should be taken from the bottom of the die body to the top of the threads. There is an exception to this pertaining to pistol bullet seating dies. Since this die is adjusted to sit further up than other dies, they have not been modified.

Quote from Lee's FAQ section of thier website
 
MParris,

That's good to know.

All of my Lee dies have been in service for several years now, with the exception of the .44 Special dies that I bought last year and the .32-20 dies that I bought earlier this year.

Neither the .44s or the .32-20s have been used yet, though, so I haven't been able to compare them against the others.
 
Thanks for your great replies. I'm leaning toward the deluxe set and get an extra crimp die. There are lots of 06 brass where I shoot and they don't seem to mind if I pick up their brass. I'll just separate the ones I shoot from my rifle and the ones I got free.;)

vega
 
Whose dies to use?

As Mike & CD said, any company's dies will work and there isn't a lot of difference between manufacturers, for a die of a particular purpose. I like RCBS dies, but that's because that's what I happened to start with. Buy whatever brand of die is easiest/cheapest to obtain for you. You will develop your own preferences.

The Lee collet neck-sizing die is in a class by itself as far as I know. It does not crimp the case necks, and is intended to make ammo for bolt guns out of cases fired in the same gun. Lee guarantees you it'll make the most accurate ammunition you ever reloaded if directions are followed. You do have to follow directions. When I got my first Lee Collet, in .30-'06, some years ago, their directions were not too clear on the point of exactly how far down to screw the die into a RCBS rockchucker press, and how much pressure to apply. Ruint the die on my first try. Sent it back to Lee with a letter of explanationÑTWO DAYS later I had it back, fixed, no charge, with a letter explaining how to avoid the difficulty. Lee has since changed their instruction sheet and the problem I encountered is easily avoided following their directions.

A nice thing about a collet resizing die is that you don't have to lube the cases when using that kind of die, so you then don't have to clean case lube off the brass. That is a big plus, for me. I find, though, that the mechanism itself wants a tiny dab of grease, on the camming surface that shuts the squeezers on the case neck, so the die needs to be disassembled to do that, at the start of a production run. Doesn't cover this in the instructions. Greasing avoids the squeezers sticking shut, so when you run the next case in, instead of sizing the neck, the die ruins the shoulder of the case. Found this one out the hard way. And this is still far less hassle than cleaning all the cases after sizing. (BTW, "squeezer" is an advanced technical engineering term. I don't know what that part is really called.)

As to accuracy, I loaded up a number of .30-'06's, using all identical loads, half using cases that had been through my RCBS resizing die, half using same manufacturer cases (happened they were Rem) that had been through the Lee collet neck sizing die. Out to the range with 'em, and my trusty sporterized '03-A3, and sure enough, the Lee-sized loads clearly had a (small) edge in accuracy. Since that experiment, I seldom use any other die for making '06 ammo. They work in my friend's pump Remington '06 also, with fired cases from that gun, but this is not to say they'd work in any other pump; you'd have to try it and see. And of course it'd have to have a box magazine, as a tubular mag requires crimped ammo.

Have since gotten Lee collet dies in .243 Win, and most recently in .300 WSM (They don't offer it yet as a standard item; this was a custom job).

Lee's website is <www.leeprecision.com> where they have a complete catalog. You hear various bad things about some Lee products, some of which may be true. But I have never seen, read, nor heard anything bad about Lee die performance.
 
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Of those three I'd take the Lee. I don't like the RCBS bullet seater style because it doesn't allow for quick hand adjustments like the Lee. If you plan on neck sizing, the Lee Collet die is a good die.

Any reason why you don't want to go with Redding dies? I prefer these for rifle.
 
I have Lyman SB (I load for 2 Garands among others) dies and a Lee factory crimp die. this combination has served well. The Lymans have been used for about 30 years now but the Lee is a recent addition which I am pleased with. Quantrill
 
I have to confess I use Lee for pistol and RCBS for rifle and I think both are fine, fine products.

I haven't used Redding, Hornady, etc. mainly because Lee and RCBS are the main brands readily available here without special ordering.

Dillon is made locally but I refuse to pay their overhead expenses by using their dies.

I don't find seating with the RCBS to be much more of a hassle than with Lee.

I leave the locking ring ever so, so slightly loose. Run a bullet I know is over length......measure it and then take a screw driver and gradually lower the slotted bullet seating screw down until it gets wher I need it. It might take 5-6 resettings and then I tighten the locking ring.

With the Rockchucker I get OALs within +- .002-.005" consistantly.
 
For those who replied, my Lee deluxe dies came today with extra factory crimp (bought separately) and the sierra 150 SPT. Will do some rolling tonight and with luck I could test it tomorrow.

vega
 
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