difference between 870Tactical and 870Police

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Hi, could someone explain to me the difference between the Remington 870 Tactical and the 870Police. I know that the tactical has 'tactical' on the receiver and has factory 2 shot extention, remchoke breacher tube, also has the gun metal powder coat finish which is suppose to be more durable finish.
 
I have an olive green Tactical that runs smooth as silk.

The 870 Tactical is based on the 870 Express.
The 870 Police is based on the Wingmaster line, BUT is assembled and fitted in a separate production line than the comercial guns.

Basically- all metal parts, no MIM, stronger springs and better polishing and fitting. I've read that many recent Police models are now coming with the Express plastic trigger guard due to it's durability over the aluminum one on the Wingmaster.

The best explanation of the differences between Express, Wingmaster, and Police is here:http://www.ar15.com/forums/topic.html?b=6&f=1&t=177796
 
Difference in 870 express and 870 police:

REMINGTON ARMS COMPANY, LE DIVISION
Important differences between Remington 870 Police and 870 Express shotguns
The 870 Express has been an important part of Remington’s offering to the sporting market.
It was designed to meet a price point in the commercial market while still providing classic 870 functionality.
All of Remington’s 870’s have interchangeable parts, even if they have cosmetic differences.
It is also important to note that many manufacturers use the 870 Express platform for their Police / Combat models.
Without exception, every manufacturer who utilizes our 870 platform serves to upgrade their system to a more efficient, street worthy platform.
While the 870 Express is still an 870, the best pump shotgun on the market, there are some very important cosmetic and functional differences between it and the 870 Police.
To our customers in Law Enforcement, Military, Corrections, and Security, whose lives depend upon the unfailing performance of Remington shotguns, the Police modifications are of paramount importance. Synopses of the variances are provided below.

• 870 Police shotguns go thru a special 23 station check list – ranging from visual inspection, functional testing, test firing, and final inspection.

• All Police shotguns are assembled in a “special build area” at the plant in Ilion, NY. This section is secured and serves only to build LE and Military shotguns, with the same factory personnel working at that assignment each shift.

• All parts that enter the “special build area” are visually inspected by hand to ensure top quality and functionality.

• Due to heavy recoil in buck and slug loads, all 870 Police guns have a longer magazine spring which ensures positive feed and function.

• A heavier sear spring is used to generate a reliable, positive trigger pull between 5 and 8 lbs.

• A heavier carrier dog spring is used to ensure when the carrier elevates the shell, it will be held there until the bolt can push it into the chamber. This ensures positive feeding when using heavier payload rounds.

• Police shotguns do not have an ISS (Integrated Safety System) which is a locking mechanism on the safety of commercial shotguns. This type of locking mechanism can cause delay to an officer who needs the weapon but does not have the appropriate key. LE shotguns have the standard, proven, cross bolt safety.

• The fore-end on the Express model is longer and not compatible with many police shotgun vehicle racks.

• The Police shotguns utilize the heavy duty SPEEDFEED Stocks and Fore-ends.

• The Express model will not allow for the addition of an extension tube without physical modification to the tube and barrel, which can nullify the warranty.

• The Express model has a BEAD BLAST BLUE finish while the Police models utilize either High Luster bluing or Parkerization.

• The Express model utilizes a synthetic trigger housing while the Police models use a compressed metal housing.

• The Police shotgun barrel is locked down with a “ball detent” system in conjunction with the magazine cap vs. a lesser grade “synthetic magazine spring retainer” lock down as used on the Express system.

• The receivers used in Police guns are “vibra honed” to smooth out rough finishes and remove burrs before parkerization or bluing.

• Police shotguns use machined ejectors and extractors, as opposed to powdered metal cast which are utilized on the Express models.
 
upgrading a 870 express?

Thanks for all the info. OK, say I already have an 870 express tactical, and I definitely can see the differences as stated. Can I upgrade it to the quality of the police model. I know that the longer mag. spring and follower etc. are easy to replace. Would it even be feasible to do so?
 
You can definitely upgrade an express. Some of the parts might be harder to find than others though. You'd need a police trigger assembly, a police sear spring, a police bolt assembly. Then you'd have to get everything polished and parkerized.

In the end it should be close to the price of buying an 870P but some of the parts, I feel at least, aren't as great as people on the forum say they are. The metal trigger assembly vs the plastic is one that comes to mind. The plastic assembly is made of a hard polymer, similar to what they make Glock pistol lowers out of. It is durable and will last longer than you will. A certified Remington armorer I spoke with told me that the metal trigger assembly is more porous and is prone to absorbing too much oil and gun and is harder to keep clean. The heavier sear spring is another thing that comes to mind. Some police departments recommend an 8 lb trigger pull for duty weapons but unless you're buying this as an LEO duty gun, you don't really need the heavier trigger pull.

I feel that if you buy an 870P you're paying a lot more money for it to say Police on the side. The parkerized finish is better than what comes on the express models, don't get me wrong, but you can just duracoat an express to give it a durable finish. The only bonus to me is that everything on the police guns is already polished for you so it feels smoother and slicker. You can just polish up an express though.

I think it comes down to whether or not you're willing to put in a little work to improve an express. If you take care of it, the express model will out last you.
 
The difference between the Police and Express/Tactical models is mostly a matter of the Express having a less polished interior and exterior.
This means you'll find some burrs inside and out.

The Express is Remington's "Budget" gun, made to compete with the cheaper to make Mossberg's.
The basic gun is the same forged and milled receiver with the same heavy-duty internals.
The Tactical and Marine Magnum models are just Express guns with different stock and finish options.

The upgrade to a Police model is possible, but the gun will never be as smoothly finished inside, but the actual operation will smooth up with use.

The key Police parts are:
A heavier trigger spring to help prevent AD's.
A milled extractor.
A heavier carrier dog spring (the lifter spring).
A heavier magazine spring, but only on the 4 shot standard magazine.
A better finished barrel, inside and out.

Other than the finish, all other parts are exactly the same including the bolt.
It's possible Remington is starting to use the polymer trigger plate on the Police guns too.
So, it's possible to upgrade an Express/Tactical/Marine Magnum to Police spec parts, but it's kind of like putting Cadillac parts on a Chevy. It's still a Chevy.
 
My question is, why would you want to do that? I do not hear it much any more but there used to be an old statement...If it ain't broke, don't fix it. The tactical guns run fine, I cannot see the need to upgrade a tactical to a police. My "police" was a gift, otherwise I would not have one. In fact it is my only new Remington. I like to troll for used ones that someone doesn't love anymore.
 
I recently bought a very used 870 police that was marked as a Wingmaster (came with police stocks, 18" cyl. choked barrel and bead sights) - at least 10-20 years old. Not being sure if springs were ever replaced, so I purchased a new 870P magazine, sear and carrier dog springs from Remington for $10 shipped, and replaced them all in 10 minutes. You could do the same.
 
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