ding! dong! the MD AWB is dead!!!!

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Maryland: Bill To Disarm Domestic Violence Abusers Passes House
Legislation imposing penalties on domestic violence abusers who fail to surrender firearms as required by restraining orders passed the Maryland House and is now pending in the Senate. The Brady Campaign united with the Million Mom March strongly supports legislation to disarm domestic abusers. At the same time, a package of gun lobby bills that would have gutted Maryland’s gun laws were all blocked in committee. The bills would have gutted Maryland’s strong gun lock standard which requires new handguns to have built-in locks, eliminated the state’s ballistic fingerprinting law, and forced police to let almost anyone carry concealed handguns throughout the state. Maryland MMM Chapters of the Brady Campaign united with the Million Mom March and Ceasefire Maryland opposed the dangerous bills.

http://www.bradycampaign.org/legislation/state/news.php#90
 
"...forced police to let almost anyone carry concealed handguns throughout the state."

Don't they mean "...prevented the state from unconstitutionally infringing on the right of law-abiding citizens to bear arms."

Damned totalitarian b@stards!
 
One thing at a time I suppose. I think we all knew that ccw didn't stand a chance this time around. I really did think the trigger lock repeal would make it though.

Ballistic fingerprinting? As useless as it is, it doesn't really bother me too much. More manufacturers are complying with it, and it will probably get repealed in the next two years anyway.

And I don't really have a problem with disarming CONVICTED domestic abusers....I'm sure some can argue against it, and some can argue for it as always here at THR:neener:

Oh....the Brady whackos claim victory on defeating the ballistic fingerprint repeal, but the bill was withdrawn by it's sponsor in some kind of deal made with Maryland State Police (who incidentally, do NOT support B.F. laws).
 
To everyone that sent letters, emails, faxes, made phone calls and went to the hearings, ...THANK YOU!


Vote a straight Republican ballot and we won't have gun control.
That doesn't always work because we do have a couple of pro-gun Democrats in MD.
 
Not that I am worried at all that this legislation will pass next year, but I will still be buying my RRA rifle in 2004.:D
 
And I don't really have a problem with disarming CONVICTED domestic abusers....I'm sure some can argue against it, and some can argue for it as always here at THR

domestic violence abusers who fail to surrender firearms as required by restraining orders


Be careful what you wish for. I was talking to a woman gunowner who had some domestic problems. When she went to file a restraining order, the clerk sort of laughed and said "You know your husband will just do the same thing."

Now everyone's disarmed. If it were only the 'bad' person it might be OK.
 
You folks who live in MD should write to the governor and thank him. I would never live in MD, but Erlich(SP?) is a stand-up guy. It takes real political courage to oppose hysterical anti-gun bigots and their feel-good-do-nothing legislation.
 
Ehrlich is a good guy and he doesn't even own guns himself from what I heard. I am Democrat but I voted for him bnecause of guns. I agree with the previous poster who said there are pro gun Democrats in maryland, so voting republican is not always the pro gun vote. They are more commont he at local level than national. We also had a terrible republican senator recently named connie morella who is as anti gun as you can imagine. She is gone but an anti gun Democrat is in her place.
 
Right with you, FD

We need more Dems like Senator Jimeno, and we need to support Dems like Brochin (who agreed with the fair-issue CCW reforms after hearing the arguments) and Gianetti (who told Doug Duncan & Brian Frosh, et al, to go pound sand over the AWB).

We DON'T need more people like Garagiola and Quinter who do whatever Duncan and Frosh tell them to do.
 
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K-R, you nailed it.

Jimeno, Brochin, Gianetti, and a few of the Delegates are all pro gun Democrats.
 
Senate committee rejects assault weapons bill
Legislation to ban sale of 19 semiautomatic guns dies with 6-5 vote

The Associated Press

April 2, 2004, 11:26 AM EST


ANNAPOLIS -- A bill that would have imposed a ban on the sale of 19
semiautomatic guns in Maryland died in a Senate committee on a 6-5 vote
today.

The vote on the bill sponsored by Sen. Rob Garagiola, D-Montgomery,
ended any hopes of gun control advocates for strengthening gun laws
this
year.

Garagiola's bill was intended to replace a federal ban on military-
style
guns set to expire in September that is not expected to be extended by
Congress.

"This will be our last opportunity to ... keep these [guns] out of the
hands of Marylanders," Garagiola said.

Three Democrats joined the three Republican members of the committee in
voting against the ban.

The bill originally would have applied to a much larger number of guns,
but Garagiola offered an amendment today to limit it to the 19 guns
included in the federal law, hoping that would make the bill more
palatable to opponents. That amendment also was rejected on a 6-5 vote.

Sen. Larry Haines, R-Carroll, opposed the amendment, saying if it
reached the Senate floor, gun control advocates could strip the
amendment from the bill and make it a much broader restriction on gun
sales.

Sen. Nancy Jacobs, R-Harford, agreed, saying it would "be a big mistake
to let anything out [of committee] at this point."

Supporters of the bill had argued during hearings that the
semiautomatic
guns targeted by the legislation serve no purpose except to kill people.

But Sen. Alex Mooney, R-Frederick, said people "use them for legitimate
hunting and sporting reasons."

Democratic Sen. John Gianetti of Prince George's County, who provided
the crucial sixth vote against the bill, said he had talked to Gov.
Robert L. Ehrlich Jr. to see if he could sign a bill that was limited
to
the guns banned by the federal law.

"It is my firm belief it would never become law. He [Ehrlich] wouldn't
sign the amended bill," Gianetti said.

Supporters of the bill said they had enough votes to get it approved in
the Senate if they could get it out of committee.

Gianetti was considered a swing vote and was under heavy pressure from
advocates on both sides of the issue. He sealed the fate of the bill
when he announced a month ago that he would vote against it.

He said at the time that he did not think it would reduce crime and did
not believe it could be enacted over the opposition of the governor.

http://www.baltimoresun.com/news/local/bal-weapons0402,0,836952.story?
coll=bal-home-headlines

updated:
Senate committee rejects assault weapons bill

Legislation to ban sale of semiautomatic guns dies with 6-5 vote

By Michael Dresser

Sun Staff

Originally published April 2, 2004, 1:21 PM EST

A Senate committee killed a proposal to ban assault weapons today, ending all possibility that the General Assembly will put a gun control bill on Gov. Robert L. Ehrlich's desk this year.

The 6-5 vote against the bill in the Senate Judicial Proceedings Committee came as no surprise because Sen. John A. Giannetti Jr., who represented the swing vote on the panel, announced his intent to vote no weeks ago.

The Prince George's Democrat delivered on his promise today, joining the committee's three Republicans and two conservative Democrats in opposing the bill sponsored by Sen. Robert J. Garagiola.

Before defeating the bill, the committee rejected an attempt by Garagiola to amend the bill to narrow the ban to a list of 19 semiautomatic weapons covered by the current federal ban, which expires in September.

The Montgomery County Democrat argued that Maryland should at least continue a ban on such currently prohibited weapons as Israel's Uzi and Russia's AK-47.

"If we don't support this amendment today, this is really our last opportunity," Garagiola said.

But Giannetti said Ehrlich had told him he would veto the bill even with the amendment.

Early in the legislative session, Senate President Thomas V. Mike Miller had stated his intention to put such legislation on the governor's desk to force him to decide whether to cast a potentially unpopular veto.

Voting for the bill were Garagiola, committee Chairman Brian E. Frosh and Sens. Jennie Forehand of Montgomery County, Ralph Hughes of Baltimore and Leo Green of Prince George's County. All are Democrats.

Voting no were Giannetti, Democratic Sens. Philip C. Jimeno of Anne Arundel County and James Brochin of Baltimore County, and Republican Sens. Alex X. Mooney of Frederick County, Nancy Jacobs of Harford County and Larry E. Haines of Carroll County.

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...And the quote from garagiola that ALL MArylanders should fear, regardless of the issue:


"This will be our last opportunity to ... keep these [guns] out of the
hands of Marylanders," Garagiola said.


Replace "guns" with any word you wish so that it may apply to you

"cars"
"books"
"computer access"
"freedom of thought"
 
I'd been trying to think of something thoughtful to add to this, but not celebratory. It just didn't feel like a victory, now I know why, here is the direct quote from Sentator John Giannetti:

"I've received quite a few calls on my stance on the gun bill in March. You have to understand that I sit on a committee that votes on some very contentious issues: guns, abortion, death penalty, etc. I know the votes I make will make some people happy and others angry. For the gun bill, I took the advice of the Maryland State Police and the state Faternal Order of Police."
:uhoh:
Just doesn't seem like he voted his constituants. I still like the way he voted, but it doesn't seem like he will vote that way again. Maybe I am misinterpreting but voting the advice of state agencies doesn't seem like someone representing his district.
:scrutiny:
 
I can't find the sources right now, but I recall reading somewhere that he also said something to the effect of "My district is a diverse one with constituents of all backgrounds, and with that in mind, and the fact that the governor has vowed to vetoe this bill, I could not in good conscience vote for it."

Not verbatim, but pretty close.

He may not be pro gun, he may not be pro constituent (at least for his district), but at least he gets it.....ya' know? He really gets that Marylanders oppose this bill and his job on the Judicial Proceedings Commitee was to review the bill and decide how it would affect ALL Marylanders, not just his constituents.

He could have easily caved into the "for the children" crowd and been quite popular for it, but I think it took big brass balls to stand up for what is truly right in this case.
 
Interesting....there's a number of Pro RKBA Democrats....

Furthermore...there are NO anti-gun Republicans on that list. Granted the Republican party is not the end all to beat all in this state......but it is painfully obvious that if we intend to keep our guns we will have to vote Republican across the board where there is not a pro-RKBA Democrat like Jimeno in place.
 
Like herpes, this law will be back.
Yes, but so will we and so will the pro-gun rights bills. I think this may be the first time the pro-gun side ever won, at least in recent history, here in MD. This just might be the start of something.

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why is the legislature (specifically Garagiola, Quinter et all) wasting more of the public's time?
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We need to do whatever we can to make sure these two don't have another opportunity to waste any more time by getting them out of office. Even another Democrat couldn't be worse.
Agreed, and lets start with Quinter since he is my representative in the House of Delegates:barf:

Vote a straight Republican ballot and we won't have gun control.
Um, as already mentioned, being a Republican doesn't always mean pro-gun, and in MD especially being a Democrat doesn't always mean anti-gun.

In MD it is especially important for us to vote as one issue voters. This has long been an anti-gun state so we have many enemies. It also has a strong rural tradition in parts of the state and many suburban areas are getting more conservative so we (pro-gunners) may have a chance in the not-so-distant future if we act smart.



Many people on this thread have been saying we need to call or write those who voted with us on this and thank them. We need to go futher, we need to put our money where our mouths are and give them our support- especially the Democrats! Remember, for pro-gun Republicans it is pretty easy to vote their conscious and support gun rights. For Democrats they have little to gain and much to lose (or at least it seems that way). Most pro-gunners are Republicans and not likely to vote for even a pro-gun Democrat. Meanwhile, the state Democratic Party is very anti, many of the big financiers are strongly anti, and many Democratic voters are strongly anti. They are likely to lose voters, lose donations, and gain a very strong challenger in the primaries (possibly supported by the state party) and they know it.

If these guys lose big after taking a chance on voting our way on a gun bill what lession does that teach others who might be on the fence in the future?

We told these guys that if they vote for this bill we will oppose them. Implied in that is that if they vote our way we will support them (or at least that we might). We need to give money and vote for them, not so much for them but to send the right message to others in the future.

The gun owners in this state need to band together, vote as one issue voters, support those who have supported us and most importantly we need to be sure the politicians know it. I think we have a chance to take back this state (is that the right phrase, I'm not sure we've ever had this state). Lets not blow it!
 
Can you imagine the political fall out if 200 gunnies showed up a Gianetti's campaign HQ and volunteered? We gotta watch the MC county RINOs.
Jean Cryor, a Republican in Name Only, was a sponsor on the AWB.

Garagiola & Quinter used this "fact" to state that the bill had Bi-Partisan support.
 
Can you imagine the political fall out if 200 gunnies showed up a Gianetti's campaign HQ and volunteered?
Harry, I agree. That is why I think we all need to give of our time, money, or both and be sure everyone there knows why we are there. Even though he was fairly lukewarm, I doubt he would be next time, and it would have a great impact on those who may be on the fence in the future.

Lets get our act together. MD has given MD gunnies a small opening, lets take advantage of it, and lets expand that little opening as much as we can!

We gotta watch the MC county RINOs.
Jean Cryor, a Republican in Name Only, was a sponsor on the AWB.

Garagiola & Quinter used this "fact" to state that the bill had Bi-Partisan support.
We need to get together on this as well. These MD RINOs think MD conservatives will support them because there is no other game in town- lets prove them wrong. Even though I don't live in Montgomery County, and even though I'm currently unemployed, I will be contributing to his opponent (heck, even if he/she is just as anti, it is better to have a more junior legislator since senority gets status- and if they get enough checks, and we let them know where the money comes from, maybe his opposition would think twice before supporting any future AWB bills should they win).
 
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