MoNsTeR
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Any store that doesn't allow dry-firing isn't worth shopping at. There's no point in buying a gun you can't try the most important aspect of. No one would put up with a gun shop that wouldn't let you try the grips or sights...
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Dishonest Gun Dealers
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Any store that doesn't allow dry-firing isn't worth shopping at. There's no point in buying a gun you can't try the most important aspect of. No one would put up with a gun shop that wouldn't let you try the grips or sights...
Dry firing can damage most rimfires (the Ruger Mk II semi-auto pistols are the only rimfires I can think of that say its okay to dry fire in the manual). Perhaps the stores that do NOT allow dry firing don't know that its okay to dry fire most centerfires?
MoNsTeR
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If they don't know that, what are they doing running a gun store? Even if they thought it was damaging, they could keep some snap-caps handy.
If they don't know that, what are they doing running a gun store? Even if they thought it was damaging, they could keep some snap-caps handy.
Oh, I totally agree.
But out of the 4 closest gun stores that I've been to, only ONE allows dry firing. I WOULD be INTERESTED in WHY the others don't.
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Dry Firing
I could see the point in not dry-firing a commemorative revolver. You wouldn't want to ring the cylinder. And some of the older Colt SAA warned that "excessive" dry firing could damage the firing pin. (A fact I know from experience to be true since the Colt Sheriff's Model SAA 44-40/44 Special, I got new in 1979 broke the pin after less than 20 dry fires. (It was my fault for not using snap caps.) But I also know of people who have dry fired SAA hundreds of times with no ill effect.
But for the majority of centerfire revolver or pistols dry firing won't hurt a bit. As for rim fires, there are those cute little orange plastic snap caps that work just great. They even feed from the magazines of everything I have tried mine on.
Any gun ship that won't let a woman dry fire at lease once or twice must be run by jackasses.
They make you take classes to carry a gun perhaps they should also make it obligatory to take a class before you can sell them as well.
I could see the point in not dry-firing a commemorative revolver. You wouldn't want to ring the cylinder. And some of the older Colt SAA warned that "excessive" dry firing could damage the firing pin. (A fact I know from experience to be true since the Colt Sheriff's Model SAA 44-40/44 Special, I got new in 1979 broke the pin after less than 20 dry fires. (It was my fault for not using snap caps.) But I also know of people who have dry fired SAA hundreds of times with no ill effect.
But for the majority of centerfire revolver or pistols dry firing won't hurt a bit. As for rim fires, there are those cute little orange plastic snap caps that work just great. They even feed from the magazines of everything I have tried mine on.
Any gun ship that won't let a woman dry fire at lease once or twice must be run by jackasses.
They make you take classes to carry a gun perhaps they should also make it obligatory to take a class before you can sell them as well.
(reposted: I originally posted this question in the wrong thread):
Is Sellier & Bellot load hot?
On their website, they list their .357 magnum 158 grain bullets as 425 meters per second. By my calculations, that is equilavelent to 1395 feet/second. In contrast, most of the 158 grain ammo I use gets 1200 to 1250 feet per second. If the website and my calculations are correct, thats even MORE insane to sell to a newbie woman--ESPECIALLY to be fired from a relatively light weight snubby.
Is Sellier & Bellot load hot?
On their website, they list their .357 magnum 158 grain bullets as 425 meters per second. By my calculations, that is equilavelent to 1395 feet/second. In contrast, most of the 158 grain ammo I use gets 1200 to 1250 feet per second. If the website and my calculations are correct, thats even MORE insane to sell to a newbie woman--ESPECIALLY to be fired from a relatively light weight snubby.
It didn't go well.
The noise and recoil of her S&W 640 petrified her (I used the lightest recoiling .38 Wadcutters I could find), and she decided she had to leave after only 10 shots in her gun. Despite spending 3 hours preparing a detailed training session (including starting her off with a .22, moving up to a L Frame .357 (firing only .38's though), and finally having her fire her S&W 640 it just didn't work out--and creating and printing presentations of proper sight alignment and grip which she showed little interest at. Since she didn't hit the broadside of a barn and told me that she has no intention of going back to the range, I'd say all the effort I put into this was wasted. I'm going to suggest to her that she should sell the gun, because there is no point for her to have a gun if she is afraid of shooting it and is unwilling of putting the effort out to try learning. I feel the gun is more of a danger to her than it is to anyone that would attack her--one can't expect to safely defend them selves with NO training or practice, IMO.
The noise and recoil of her S&W 640 petrified her (I used the lightest recoiling .38 Wadcutters I could find), and she decided she had to leave after only 10 shots in her gun. Despite spending 3 hours preparing a detailed training session (including starting her off with a .22, moving up to a L Frame .357 (firing only .38's though), and finally having her fire her S&W 640 it just didn't work out--and creating and printing presentations of proper sight alignment and grip which she showed little interest at. Since she didn't hit the broadside of a barn and told me that she has no intention of going back to the range, I'd say all the effort I put into this was wasted. I'm going to suggest to her that she should sell the gun, because there is no point for her to have a gun if she is afraid of shooting it and is unwilling of putting the effort out to try learning. I feel the gun is more of a danger to her than it is to anyone that would attack her--one can't expect to safely defend them selves with NO training or practice, IMO.
BluesBear
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Wasted Effort
Now I remember wht I quit being an instructor 15 years ago. Thanks for jogging my memory. I was actually contemplating getting back into it again.
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Make sure she gets rid of that gun QUICK! before she either shoots an innocent bystander or gets it taken away from her.
Oh well.... at least you tried.
Now I remember wht I quit being an instructor 15 years ago. Thanks for jogging my memory. I was actually contemplating getting back into it again.
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Make sure she gets rid of that gun QUICK! before she either shoots an innocent bystander or gets it taken away from her.
Oh well.... at least you tried.
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