Disney Thumbing Nose At The New Gun Law [FL]

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This just in from the NRA-ILA, regarding Florida's new law protecting the right of employees to keep a firearm locked in a private vehicle.

Disney Thumbing Nose At The New Gun Law

We have received the following memo from numerous sources. It was sent out by Disney to Disney employees. Disney is a prime offender when it comes to firing employees for exercising Second Amendment rights. There has never been any intention to exempt any part of Disney from the new law. We thought you'd like to see such arrogance.

----- Original Message -----

From: WDW NewsRoom

To: #WDW X Corporate Executive Cast - Florida; #WDW X Walt Disney Parks

and Resorts Vice Presidents; #WDW X Walt Disney Parks and Resorts

Directors; #WDW X Walt Disney Parks and Resorts General Managers



Sent: Fri Jun 27 XXXXXXX 2008

Subject: Florida's Guns-At-Work Legislation



Below is a memo regarding the Florida Guns-at-Work law,

effective July 1, 2008. Please share verbally with your teams, as

appropriate.





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To: Florida-site Executives Date: June 27, 2008

From: Shannon McAleavey,

Senior Vice President Public Affairs

Subject: Florida's Guns-at-Work Legislation



_____________________________________________________________________



On July 1, a new Florida law will go into effect that will allow

employees with a conceal-and-carry permit to have a weapon in their

vehicle at their place of employment. This law does not apply to Walt

Disney World Co. owned and leased properties due to an exemption. This

includes all theme parks, resorts, theme park and resort parking lots,

Cast Member parking lots, administrative offices across the Walt Disney

World(r) Resort, Downtown Disney(r), Disney's Wide World of Sports

Complex, hotels on Hotel Plaza Boulevard, Celebration and the Disney

Reservation Centers (Orlando and Tampa).



However, the law will apply to property owned by Reedy Creek

Improvement District, Disney's Vero Beach Resort, the Disney Cruise Line

Crew Member parking lot, the La Quinta warehouse on Orange Blossom Trail

and Disney-owned liquidation stores off property. Because this is a

Florida law, it also does not apply to Disney's Hilton Head Island

Resort. Cast Members will continue to be prohibited from removing a

weapon from their vehicle while at work. All Cast Members must comply

with the gun policies in effect at the location they are visiting,

regardless of where they work. For example, Disney's Vero Beach Cast

Members must comply with the gun policies at a Walt Disney World Co.

theme park when visiting that location.



Walt Disney World Co. continues to maintain a zero tolerance

policy for guns and workplace violence. Possession of dangerous or

unauthorized materials such as explosives, firearms, ammunition, weapons

or other similar items on Walt Disney World Co. owned or leased property

is grounds for termination (as outlined in the Employee Policy Manual).



A lawsuit filed by the Florida Chamber of Commerce and Florida

Retail Federation to repeal the law is under review, and we are hopeful

it will be overturned by mid-July. We support the ongoing efforts of the

Florida Chamber of Commerce and the Florida Retail Federation to

challenge the legislation. The safety of our Cast and Guests is our top

priority.



Please encourage your teams to practice safe behaviors at any

location. In an emergency, Cast Members should dial 911. If a gun is

seen or suspected to be at any location, Cast Members should immediately

contact their local Human Resources representative or Walt Disney World

Security at x1990 or 407-560-1990.



Thanks for your support in verbally sharing this information

with your teams. I will update you when a final ruling is made in the

lawsuit.
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I just read through the entire text of the bill and I don't see where Disney was exempted from the law.

http://www.myfloridahouse.gov/Sections/Documents/loaddoc.aspx?FileName=616087.xml&DocumentType=Amendments&BillNumber=0503&Session=2008

Having said that I encourage employees not to keep their concealed weapons in their cars while at work where they might be stolen and are useless for self-defense, instead carry them on your person and conceal deeply. Given that it's a right to work state, your employer will find a way to let you go if they so desire.
 
Florida is an 'at will' state as lacoochee states.Probably the most vociferous in the country.
Disney can fire an employee for simply blowing their nose at the wrong time.
If they want to get rid of you for ANY reason,out the door you go.
This new law will not positively affect The Mouse's employees' one iota.
 
They fabricated the bit about an "exception".

Also, it must be nice to be such a big company, to have lawyers who can get a court to "repeal" an act of the state legislature. Us common folk have to lobby, and vote, to get that kind of stuff done!
 
Well I dunno and I am all in favor of CCW, if you agreed to this rule when you were hired, you should honor you word doncha think?

I would imagine you signed agreement to this policy on Disney property when you were hired.
 
my stance is, what they dont know wont hurt them. we arent supposed to have guns at my work either, but again... what they dont know wont hurt them. i have two in my car at all times.
 
if you agreed to this rule when you were hired, you should honor you word doncha think?
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Even if the law changes in your favor:confused: The employees of Disney or any other corporation are individuals with rights, not indentured servants. This principle seems to get lost for a lot of folks (even on this board), who believe that property rights means all rights for the owner and zero rights for the employee. Folks, this is still the land of the free, not Cuba or North Korea. Let's not forget that.
 
Are you sure that link was the final bill signed by Crist? If so, it seems to me that the new law goes a lot further than "guns in the car." Paragraphs (a)-(d) of the prohibitions discuss possession within motor vehicles, but paragraph (e) reads like this:
(4) PROHIBITED ACTS.--No public or private employer may violate the constitutional rights of any customer, employee, or invitee as provided in paragraphs (a)-(e):

...

(e) No public or private employer may terminate the employment of or otherwise discriminate against an employee, or expel a customer or invitee for exercising his or her constitutional right to keep and bear arms or for exercising the right of self-defense as long as a firearm is never exhibited on company property for any reason other than lawful defensive purposes.
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Nowhere in this paragraph does it restrict the prohibition against termination or discrimination to lawfully possessed firearms locked in motor vehicles. The paragraph doesn't specifically mention carrying a firearm pursuant to 790.06 or 790.25, but I think it's easy to argue that the constitutional right to keep and bear arms includes carry under those sections. What I get out of it is this: as long as an employee never exhibits his weapon, it is also against the law to terminate his employment for carrying while at work. This sounds almost too good to be true. Does anyone want to tell me why I'm wrong?

Edit -- Never mind. I found this comment on Jon Gutmacher's blog regarding this section of the bill:
Jon H. Gutmacher said...

I've read some of the comments to this -- and must warn you that the law only applies to guns in parked vehicles. It does not apply to carry or use outside the vehicle unless it happens in an act of self defense. That is very clear in the legislative preamble. If you "carry" against the policy of your employer -- this Act does not protect you -- unless you had to retrieve the firearm for an actual self defense situation.

April 24, 2008 3:55 PM
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Employee to BG...
"Can you hold on a second before you rob and kill me?
I need to call my HR department"

Only in the fairy tale land of disney.


My GOD, what is wrong with these people.

Do these idiots think the guns are jumping around in the cars and playing in the parking lot all by themselves?

People never cease to amaze me.
 
You good Fl members should bombard the A G office about this Law does not allow this and plainly states so. He the one to contact and file a complaint with. Rest of country stop going to these over priced rip offs. Hit them in their pocket book. They are not above the law.
 
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There may be some merit to this. When Disney was first coaxed into this state, part of the percs for them was that they were an entirely sefl governing entity.

They pay no taxes to the state(even though they collect the 7% sales tax). Like was stated, the law does apply to other areas outside of the Disney World area. Reddy Creek is the community built around Disney that supplies all of the backstage support and services for the Disney World Resort area therefore they are not actually part of Disney World.

Since WDW, is it's own sefl governing entity, they are not bound by the rules of the state. Think of them like the Vatican is to Rome.

The Land of the Radical Rat can do whatever, whenever it pleases, as long as it is on their own property. Once outside those boundries, they go by the rules of the state.
 
A lawsuit filed by the Florida Chamber of Commerce and Florida
Retail Federation to repeal the law is under review
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Lol wut? A court cannot "repeal" a law -- it can find a purported law to be unconstitutional and therefore not a law at all, but that is not a "repeal" of the law.
 
Disney may have its own local government; I seem to recall such an arrangement. They were afraid that petty local officials would try to lord it over the Mouse House with cumbersome business licensing and zoning crap. But, this just means that they are not part of an incorporated town, or Orange County. They are still in the State of Florida, and all, let me repeat, all, Florida laws apply within the Magic Kingdom. If the new firearms law does not specifically exclude Disney, I can't see how they could claiim any other exclusion.
 
The employees of Disney or any other corporation are individuals with rights, not indentured servants. This principle seems to get lost for a lot of folks (even on this board), who believe that property rights means all rights for the owner and zero rights for the employee. Folks, this is still the land of the free, not Cuba or North Korea. Let's not forget that.
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You mean in Cuba and North Korea, property rights and rights of association are understood and respected? Please explain. :scrutiny:
 
You mean in Cuba and North Korea, property rights and rights of association are understood and respected? Please explain.
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No, I mean the rights of the individuals are not respected and trumped at the expense of an entity, in this case the State. The reason I used this analogy is because I do not see much of a difference between an authoritarian State or a large Corporation. Both are unaccountable to the people (or strive to be), as this latest case form Disney illustrates it.

The bottom line is that I see a dangerous move in this country in the direction of people surrendering their rights, and the whole thing is done through this twisted notion of property rights superseding individual rights. As far as I am concerned, it is exactly the same as the rights of the State superseding the rights of the people, and you know what, at the end the result is all the same: you as an individual end up with none:mad:

Hell, when some folks in a gun board are ready to surrender their right to bear arms, what's to say about the rest of the population.
 
The law, 790.251, is here.

Since Disney uses fireworks and other explosive special effects, they MAY be trying to use this:

(7) EXCEPTIONS.--The prohibitions in subsection (4) do not apply to:

<snip>

(e) Property owned or leased by a public or private employer or the landlord of a public or private employer upon which the primary business conducted is the manufacture, use, storage, or transportation of combustible or explosive materials regulated under state or federal law, or property owned or
leased by an employer who has obtained a permit required under 18 U.S.C. s. 842 to engage in the business of importing, manufacturing, or dealing in explosive materials on such property.
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I have lived near Mouse Town for decades and they can do what they want. Case in point was the Grandmom that was given the third degree because she forgot she had a pistol in her purse and the Mouse Nazi's caught her checking to make sure nobody sneaks in any food to decrease revenue!

The are indeed their own government. There are a hand full of residents of Reedy Creek that were hand chosen to be allowed to live there and vote and needless to say they keep it as a Company Town. The have their own Fire Department, water, utilities, phone company, etc. To my knowledge they do not have their own police (that would require a mouse jail so they use Orange County Sheriff to haul people off) but they so have the army of (old) people security guards.

On the flip side, they do pay property taxes to Orange county and do build their own roads.

Needless to say they don't get any of my money. I only go there kicking and screaming and only if I don't have to pay to get in!
 
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