lil ski
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I have been tring to find out what you need to do to become a Distinguished Pistol Shooter. I can't seem to find the info on CMPs web site.
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Kuglespritz
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If you go back to their web page, download a copy of the CMP rule book or it can be ordered from the CMP store for about $3. It will tell you. You will need to earn 30 leg points through their sanctioned matches. The rule book will give you a break down of how many points can be earned at a match depending on how many shooters (non Distinguished)are their that day.
lil ski
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thanks
cdrt
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I copied the following from one of the histories of the EIC program from the CMP website. I corrected the info on the number of Legs awarded at matches, since that number changed in 2006 when they reduced the number needed at a match to award one Leg (six rather than ten). It gives a brief rundown of the program. You'll need to check the new rule book for the rules regarding what is a legal EIC pistol.
The Distinguished Badge is awarded when a competitor accumulates 30 ‘points’ earned in EIC matches. Points are awarded on the basis of an individual’s placement among the top 10% of non-distinguished competitors in the match. Points accumulate throughout a competitor’s lifetime until Distinguished status is attained, so that points earned as a member of the Armed Forces in bull’s-eye competition will transfer toward designation as a civilian, and vice versa. It is also required that one must earn at least an eight or ten-point "hard” leg by placing in the top 50% of competitors in the top ten percent.
The pistol National Match Course (NMC) is used in the EIC match and consists
of 30 record shots shot in three stages with no sighting shots. Slow fire is first with ten shots fired in ten minutes at 50 yards. The second stage is timed fire: ten shots, in two five shot strings, with a 20 second per string time limit followed by rapid fire, both being fired at 25 yards. Rapid fire, the final stage, is two five shot strings, with a ten second per string time limit. The service pistol or its commercial equivalent, .45 M1911, M1911A1, or the 9mm M9, is required. No sighting shots are allowed.
Local EIC and military matches can be particularly difficult matches at which to earn leg points as the combination of a low number of entries and highly skilled shooters can easily push the scores to the upward limits. A minimum of six non-Distinguished shooters must compete in a match for it to be approved and legs are distributed on the basis of six and the next largest fraction of ten. For example, a match with 16 entries awards two legs while one with 26 awards three. Perhaps the best place to earn leg points is at the National Matches.
When a competitor “legs” for the first time, whether it is for four, six, eight, or ten points, they are awarded a bronze EIC badge, in addition to any other award they might have earned. When 20 points are accumulated a silver leg badge is presented. Leg badges are separate and distinct from the medals presented at a regional or the National Matches for placing in the top three or above cut-off. When thirty points have been earned, the shooter is awarded the Distinguished Badge. The Badge is engraved with the competitor’s name, year earned, and, in the case of civilians and members of the Air Force, the badge’s serial number. In the services it is traditional in some commands to have the Badge presented by a general officer or other high ranking official. The CMP follows the practice of having an eminent member of the shooting community present the Badge to new recipients at the National Match Awards Ceremony, thereby adding additional dignity and prestige to a milestone that few shooters will ever forget.
The Distinguished Badge is awarded when a competitor accumulates 30 ‘points’ earned in EIC matches. Points are awarded on the basis of an individual’s placement among the top 10% of non-distinguished competitors in the match. Points accumulate throughout a competitor’s lifetime until Distinguished status is attained, so that points earned as a member of the Armed Forces in bull’s-eye competition will transfer toward designation as a civilian, and vice versa. It is also required that one must earn at least an eight or ten-point "hard” leg by placing in the top 50% of competitors in the top ten percent.
The pistol National Match Course (NMC) is used in the EIC match and consists
of 30 record shots shot in three stages with no sighting shots. Slow fire is first with ten shots fired in ten minutes at 50 yards. The second stage is timed fire: ten shots, in two five shot strings, with a 20 second per string time limit followed by rapid fire, both being fired at 25 yards. Rapid fire, the final stage, is two five shot strings, with a ten second per string time limit. The service pistol or its commercial equivalent, .45 M1911, M1911A1, or the 9mm M9, is required. No sighting shots are allowed.
Local EIC and military matches can be particularly difficult matches at which to earn leg points as the combination of a low number of entries and highly skilled shooters can easily push the scores to the upward limits. A minimum of six non-Distinguished shooters must compete in a match for it to be approved and legs are distributed on the basis of six and the next largest fraction of ten. For example, a match with 16 entries awards two legs while one with 26 awards three. Perhaps the best place to earn leg points is at the National Matches.
When a competitor “legs” for the first time, whether it is for four, six, eight, or ten points, they are awarded a bronze EIC badge, in addition to any other award they might have earned. When 20 points are accumulated a silver leg badge is presented. Leg badges are separate and distinct from the medals presented at a regional or the National Matches for placing in the top three or above cut-off. When thirty points have been earned, the shooter is awarded the Distinguished Badge. The Badge is engraved with the competitor’s name, year earned, and, in the case of civilians and members of the Air Force, the badge’s serial number. In the services it is traditional in some commands to have the Badge presented by a general officer or other high ranking official. The CMP follows the practice of having an eminent member of the shooting community present the Badge to new recipients at the National Match Awards Ceremony, thereby adding additional dignity and prestige to a milestone that few shooters will ever forget.
ocabj
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For civilians, to go Distinguished you need to obtain 30 EIC/LEG points, and one of the LEG awards must be a hard LEG.
EIC or LEGs are given out in values of 6, 8, or 10, bronze, silver, and gold respectively. A hard LEG is an 8 or 10 point LEG (silver or gold).
The top 10% of non-distinguished shooters are given a LEG.
The number of LEGs given out depends on the number of non-Distinguished shooters in a match. You need at least 6 non-Dist shooters in a match for a LEG to be awarded.
So in a match with 22 shooters, 16 of whom are non-dist, the top 10% rounded up, 1.6 -> 2, are awarded LEG points, a 6 pt LEG and an 8 pt LEG.
It is possible for a person to get 30 points and not be distinguished. Getting five (5) 6pt LEGs = 30 points. But since you need a hard LEG, 8 or 10 pt, to go Dist, that person isn't dist.
This has actually been the subject of debate among EIC pistol shooters because EIC pistol matches are few and far between, with lower participation than EIC rifle. Many shooters have voiced concerned that it nearly impossible to get a 'hard' LEG because none of the EIC pistol matches ever get enough non-dist shooters to qualify for a hard leg. The smallest match to qualify for a LEG is between 6-15 non-dist shooters, and that match will only award a 6 pt bronze LEG. You need 16 minimum in a match to award a hard LEG (in the case 16-25 non-dist, that will be a silver LEG).
Note that Camp Perry awards 10 point LEGs to anyone that makes the 10% non-dist cut off at the NM EIC rifle/pistol individual events. So even if your score results in a bronze LEG, you are awarded a 10 point LEG, and that counts as a 'hard' LEG. This concept brings up the unique ability to "bronze out" by only getting bronze LEGs while obtaining enough points to go distinguished.
If you access to military EIC matches, definitely attend those, since military EIC matches tend to have a large number of shooters, which means a lot of LEGs (including several 'hard' LEGs). No guarantees you'll get one of course, but at least you know the opportunity is there.
EIC or LEGs are given out in values of 6, 8, or 10, bronze, silver, and gold respectively. A hard LEG is an 8 or 10 point LEG (silver or gold).
The top 10% of non-distinguished shooters are given a LEG.
The number of LEGs given out depends on the number of non-Distinguished shooters in a match. You need at least 6 non-Dist shooters in a match for a LEG to be awarded.
So in a match with 22 shooters, 16 of whom are non-dist, the top 10% rounded up, 1.6 -> 2, are awarded LEG points, a 6 pt LEG and an 8 pt LEG.
It is possible for a person to get 30 points and not be distinguished. Getting five (5) 6pt LEGs = 30 points. But since you need a hard LEG, 8 or 10 pt, to go Dist, that person isn't dist.
This has actually been the subject of debate among EIC pistol shooters because EIC pistol matches are few and far between, with lower participation than EIC rifle. Many shooters have voiced concerned that it nearly impossible to get a 'hard' LEG because none of the EIC pistol matches ever get enough non-dist shooters to qualify for a hard leg. The smallest match to qualify for a LEG is between 6-15 non-dist shooters, and that match will only award a 6 pt bronze LEG. You need 16 minimum in a match to award a hard LEG (in the case 16-25 non-dist, that will be a silver LEG).
Note that Camp Perry awards 10 point LEGs to anyone that makes the 10% non-dist cut off at the NM EIC rifle/pistol individual events. So even if your score results in a bronze LEG, you are awarded a 10 point LEG, and that counts as a 'hard' LEG. This concept brings up the unique ability to "bronze out" by only getting bronze LEGs while obtaining enough points to go distinguished.
If you access to military EIC matches, definitely attend those, since military EIC matches tend to have a large number of shooters, which means a lot of LEGs (including several 'hard' LEGs). No guarantees you'll get one of course, but at least you know the opportunity is there.
Bullseye57
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Another thing about CMP-LEG matches, there are limits to the number of events a competitor can fire in for a calender year. Rule 10.2.2 for civilian, and 10.2.1 for active military members, covers the number of eligible LEG matches a Non-Distinguished competitor may enter per year.
Hope this helps.
R,
Bullseye
Distinguished Rifle and Pistol Shot
Hope this helps.
R,
Bullseye
Distinguished Rifle and Pistol Shot
cdrt
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A non-distinguished civilian can shoot in three Leg matches per year for record points and Camp Perry, for a total of four. One of the three matches can be a Service sponsored match like the All Navy or PacFleet.
If you make an error and shoot in an extra match, your scores will not be counted nor will you count in the total of non-distinguished shooters when they figure up how many Legs can be given out for the match.
We had a non-distinguished shooter do that last year at the Regional in Wichita Falls. It was kind of frustrating for him, because he actually took first place in the match and it would have been a hard Leg since there were over 16 non-distinguished shooters. So instead of getting eight points, he got zilch. Of course, the non-distinguished shooter in third place was pretty happy, since he got bumped up to second place and he got the six points.
Jon Coppenbarger
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I would think a hard leg in pistol would be a chore. I would be thinking about the nationals to get it as with about 50 legs or so it gives you a good chance.
Getting your badge in rifle is not easy either. But I can tell you it is worth it.
Getting your badge in rifle is not easy either. But I can tell you it is worth it.
cdrt
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I think getting a hard Leg depends a lot on the area where you live. Here in Texas all but two of the Leg matches I shot in since 2005 have had enough shooters for at least two legs, so getting a hard Leg is possible. And we have Regionals and the State match in Oklahoma that include Leg matches with a pretty good turnout.
The Panola County Club in Carthage, Texas, has had enough shooters for three Legs since they started running a pistol Leg with their Rifle Regional in 2006.
If I still lived in California, the only place to get a Leg would be the Navy sponsored service matches; the All Navy and PacFleet, but civilians can only shoot one of them a year.
I don't think they have had a California State Outdoor match for years, but I'm sure someone will correct me. I never see one listed in the CRPA newsletter that comes out monthly. And I have not noticed any pistol regionals there as well, so getting a Leg at a civilian sponsored match would be almost impossible there.
I've seen scores posted for clubs in Arizona that have a pretty good turnout for the EIC matches, as well.
The Panola County Club in Carthage, Texas, has had enough shooters for three Legs since they started running a pistol Leg with their Rifle Regional in 2006.
If I still lived in California, the only place to get a Leg would be the Navy sponsored service matches; the All Navy and PacFleet, but civilians can only shoot one of them a year.
I don't think they have had a California State Outdoor match for years, but I'm sure someone will correct me. I never see one listed in the CRPA newsletter that comes out monthly. And I have not noticed any pistol regionals there as well, so getting a Leg at a civilian sponsored match would be almost impossible there.
I've seen scores posted for clubs in Arizona that have a pretty good turnout for the EIC matches, as well.
rainbowbob
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Practice, practice, practice.
Oh sorry, that's the answer to "How do I get to Carnegie Hall?"
Oh sorry, that's the answer to "How do I get to Carnegie Hall?"
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