Divorce present to myself

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Anyways, I'm looking for something new, perferrably one that I can build. I'm thinking a lightweight M4gery.

I've got $1000 and that it. Any other ideas?
 
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Sorry to hear about that. I personally spent my "engagement ring money" on a M4gery thing with an added mil dot...the other thing I would have spent money on is another set of C&R rifles - a Hakim or FN49 on the top of the list.
 
Minor children, you say?

I suggest that you spend it all and then a lot more on a good divorce atty before buying toys. If the divorce turns ugly, you will need many thousands, and not fighting adequately could bring you years of misery in too much child support, too much alimony, unfair property division, and not enough visitation. If there is EVER a time in your life to save money to make damn sure you have the best atty you can possibly afford, it is now. Don't be stupid or you WILL be very very sorry. Seen it time and time again. Besides, you'd be *really* P.O.'ed if you buy the rifle, then she lautenberg's your butt via a P.O. (see the pun?) within the divorce case, and your local P.D. shows up to collect them all and hold them for 3 years, including the new one. Dunno if you've ever been divorced before, but you've just entered a very very serious time in your life which will be hell (unless you can reconcile). It will get better down the road however, *IF* you have good representation in court during this time.

If, OTOH, ya gots plenty o' money, then by all means, get the Mforgery.
 
Love is grand. Divorce is a couple of hundred grand.

That said I believe these things vary considerable by state, so your situation may not be a bleak at described in the post above. Or it could be worse.

You will now be returned to your regularly scheduled firearms related thread.
 
A piece of advice given to me by a man 40 years my senior and thrice divorced: Always have a sock with money in it. Cash is hard to account for, usually even harder to find. Get the attorney with the best/worst reputation or you will likely get screwed.

As far as rifles go, I say wait till after the divorce. Once the judge signs it, get an M4gery with all the bells and whistles.
 
Got mine in 1968, a bargain at twice the price! Got one now that carries a P7. Hunts with a 7mm Mag., etc.
 
You're screwed, and for quite a while too. When I finally got all the alimony paid off I took that money and joined the gun-of-the-month club. It was great. I was used to living on practically nothing anyway.
 
Well, except that it's NOT just a rifle thread - it shouldn't be, when someone's about to make a huge mistake for at least two reasons (possibly) - not only could the guns be taken via EITHER the judge's order OR a lautenberg situation, but it could be dire, critical funds needed for lawyer. If it's his first time getting divorce, he may not realize this and may desperately need this advice. Divorce is very VERY difficult as it is, WITHOUT getting screwed over by the court & ex-spouse, which will happen as sure as the setting of the sun, if the lawyer you hire is a 2-bit mickey mouse one, due to that being all you can afford.
 
And since the others didn't mention it, if you own other guns and you have a brother, father or friend willing to keep them for you, get rid of them asap, so they can't be taken. Claim you sold them for cash and spent the cash. Liquidate any assets that can be taken. Like was said before, cash is extremely hard to account for.

Best of luck, been there, got the t shirt. Lost some 20 thousand to a lying, thieving dirtbag whom I didn't even have children with.

Take care and watch your six, the enemy is on your tail.

Dave
 
Yeah, sorta......

While I wouldn't ever recommend lying to the court, I *would* recommend the advised transfer of possession to a family member or friend (except for basic self-defense guns), and disclose that to the court only if asked. Transfer of possession can go a long way in slowing down or mitigating things the other side may try to do, in terms of rash ex parte temporary court orders or a lautenberg order.

Go consult with 2 or 3 or 4 lawyers ASAP, and then pick the one that seems the most on top of things.
 
If you let a trusted family member/friend hold them, would it be lying to say you are no longer in possession of said firearm?

I don't think so.
 
Well, being that you don't, in fact, have said arms any more, no, it wouldn't be lying to say that you're not in posession of them.
 
I am sorry to hear that too. I would spend the money on something I have always dreamed about owning. A M1A. It should darn well be a present to yourself.


Taking off with your kids is wrong. She should have never done that. Sell or have a someone hold your guns for you and anything else you value and don't tell anyone. Take her to the cleaners. I don't much care for women who do things like that. She should have been wooman enough to tell you to your face she was leaving you.
 
If you let a trusted family member/friend hold them, would it be lying to say you are no longer in possession of said firearm?

I don't think so.
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No it would not. But he recommended:

Claim you sold them for cash and spent the cash.
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That is a blatent lie, and not a good idea, and illegal. It's called perjury when you are asked under oath. It goes like this, folks:

1. Do you have any other valuables, like guns? Nope, sure don't.
2. What happened to the ones you had? [Here is where you either tell the truth, or commit perjury and possibly go to JAIL]

Question #2 may or *may not* be ASKED. It's "don't ask, don't tell". If you're asked, you must tell. If you're not asked, you're not asked.
 
Do like I did Pawn all of them for $20 then go take $45 to get them out, out of the bank. Put it in your sock drawer. Then when asked you can say they where pawned for cash to pay the bills. Both will be true and documented if you use the $20 to pay a bill. That is how I kept mine out of the divorce on the recommendation of my attorney.
 
Oh man. Be sure you get a clause put in the paperwork so she can't take your kids out of the state. Otherwise she can haul them off to God knows where and you're left trying to either 'meet halfway' or drive/fly all the way to wherever she is.
 
As noted hiding/selling, etc, any asset is a very bad idea.

Also as noted an attorney should be first – I know as I’ve been through it. In some states assets held before the marriage are retained by the spouse who owns them; any firearms you owned before the marriage may be safe.

Taking the kids was a bad move on her part, you have the advantage – for now.

To keep this somewhat gun-related, often assets acquired after the marriage ends – in this case when your wife left, not when the divorce is finalized – are also off the table. Again, ask the attorney, if that’s the case buy the M4gery, you’ll get to keep it. :)

Oh man. Be sure you get a clause put in the paperwork so she can't take your kids out of the state
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A good attorney will handle that – in my case my ex can’t reside outside of 100 miles from where I live – the same applies to me, of course. Kids come first.
 
Depending on how you want to play it you can always consult with a lawyer then decide he or she isn't the right one to represent you. After you do this any lawyer with ethics (oxymoron i know) should tell your spouse that said lawyer will not represent the spouse because lawyer has a biased view of the proceedings. Now if you were so underhanded as to wander lawyer to lawyer and consult with the better ones it seems to me your spouse would be at a legal disadvantage.

Another thought on the gun issue: Get rid of them! your spouse can file a PFA (protection from abuse) its sorta like a restraining order except the only thing you need to get a PFA is to say you feel threatened, very very subjective. If your spouse files a PFA you will have to remove your firearms from your possession, they will have to live somewhere you do not have direct control. If you sell them to your family or friends at a price that is not quite giving them away you have done nothing wrong and are only accountable for the money you recieve say $100.00 for the whole collection. While you're at it, knives, clubs, tactical gear of any kinda all falls under that ruling.
 
If you have a car loan, pay it off now. Drain all your bank accounts to zip. Get it before she does. Sock away cash for a lawyer.

You will be paying her monthly and giving her half of all the property. there's no sense in letting her get half the cash too. Besides, she's probably running up credit card debt like crazy right now since half of that debt will be yours in the settlement.

So get the cash away from her while you still can.
 
Loomis brings up a good point.

Get her off the cards, or get yourself off of them.
 
That is a blatent lie, and not a good idea, and illegal. It's called perjury when you are asked under oath. It goes like this, folks:

1. Do you have any other valuables, like guns? Nope, sure don't.
2. What happened to the ones you had? [Here is where you either tell the truth, or commit perjury and possibly go to JAIL]
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1. Do you have any other valuables, like guns?
Nope, sure don't.
2. What happened to the ones you had?
I plead the Fifth, councilor.
 
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